How do I stay calm when so many either have coronaphobia or are enjoying lockdown too much?

[awaywiththecircus]

Out for a walk last night and saw a neighbour who’s furloughed. She took pleasure in saying what a great time she’s having and hoping things carry on like this for a lot longer yet. She doesn’t think she should go back to work anytime soon as she has to meet people face to face and she doesn’t want to catch it. She’s in her 30s, slim and white.
Get back and speak to SIL who won’t be sending dnephew to school if they open in June ‘because children are dying too’ I’m getting so annoyed at the attitude of so many stupid people and it’s like banging my head against a brick wall. I feel like I’ve lost all control of my life and it’s going to carry on forever. Does anyone else know what I mean?

@FourTeaFallOut I agree. It’s their perceived entitlement to remain furloughed that irritates me.

Shame for the 30,000 or so that didn't though.

A tiny number in comparison to population size. We've lost that many in one flu season before, and the number of people that may die from cancer because screenings and treatments have been stopped will probably be much higher than that.

Also look at the demographic of those 30000, mostly old or already in bad health. People that could catch any number of illnesses and die at any time.

This chart says it all.

Someone posted their prolonged experience was Covid and insisted that children shouldn’t go back to school in June. Why does their difficult it non-life threatening experience of illness outweigh the futures of socioeconomically deprived children who are missing out on valuable socialisation, or others who are in abusive and unhealthy home environments for months at a time?

Chart now attached

Oh my God, there's a blast from the past - flu, FFS!

Those 30000 have died over 10 weeks while the country was on lockdown for most of it. Flu - Jesus.

Are you going to work OP? If not, why not? Is it something you can't do at home? I don't understand how people being on furlough in other industries is affecting you so much. It is their employers who decide when they work, not the people on furlough. Could you explain?

@Redolent and yet still the cries of outrage at the suggestion of reopening schools. "I won't be sending my children as it's not safe and I value THEIR HEALTH.

I'd send DS back tomorrow if they reopened. I'm not worried about him being in school. Statistically he's more likely to be struck by lightning than die of CV.

Cos we only have 30,000 dead the virus is no reason to lock down is twisted

it would actually be a lot more if we hadn't locked down

Like you want to claim the benefit of lockdown as evidence that this is not so bad so why bother with lockdown ...

"Im getting annoyed with the superior attitude of some posters. Who have no empathy for others. People can make their own fucking choices."

And the same could be said in reverse.

Another example of posters thinking they are superior:-

Being worried about this virus isn't stupid. It's the people who aren't worried that are the stupid ones.

She’s in her 30s, slim and white.

Are you for real? Being white doesn't make you immune. Is this what people think now? Watch the infection rates rise now because white people think it's just a BAME problem. 83% of the covid19 deaths in this country have been white people.

Oh my God, there's a blast from the past - flu, FFS!

I'm simply illustrating that lots of people die from illnesses all the time. The old and ill get infections and die, that is part of life. Forcing healthy people into lockdown, creating financial ruin and stopping children reviving an education, because the old and ill may get virus and die is fucking madness.

Keep the vulnerable in lockdown, let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Like you want to claim the benefit of lockdown as evidence that this is not so bad so why bother with lockdown

There is no evidence a full lockdown helps reduce the amount of deaths. We may well have been in the same position or better if we had just locked down the vulnerable.

We may well be hit much harder with a 2nd wave due to locking down healthy people, because too smaller minority have caught the virus and gained immunity.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/07/government-has-terrorised-britons-believing-coronavirus-will/amp/

There is no evidence that lockdown prevents death?

Wow!

You seriously believe that we would be seeing the current declining death rate without lockdown?

The declining death rate which in every country starts about 2 to 3 weeks after they started? Pure coincidence?

I read that very article this morning too op.

I don't want to get "the virus" and am currently shielding very vulnerable Dh.

However, that doesn't blind me to the fact that this "lockdown" has shown many people are ignorant of the science of risk and statistics.

Is it preventing death? Or is it delaying death?

Plenty of people are suffering from cutbacks in treatments for ongoing sickness and undiagnosed illnesses; cancer etc because of this lockdown. But they don't seem to count.

Attacked there are many scientists and medics who disagree with you and think lockdown doesn’t save lives

This short article in the Lancet might be of interest to you

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=LNCH%20%2020200508%20%20%20SM+CID_232fbe1e20901bd7564f2ac15d73a5ae

awaywiththecircus the people making the decisions are not your neighbours but the government as advised by scientists who know more about it than you do.

So everyone is only allowed to have exactly your levels of fear/calm/acceptance/enjoyment, OP, otherwise they are all being unreasonable? People react to things differently because people are different. Some are more anxious, some are more positive. It's not always logical. These are unusual times. You can't make everyone else responsible for your calm!

FWIW I'm one of the ones off work and 'enjoying lockdown too much'. I am having a lovely time tbh. That doesn't mean I don't take the virus seriously or understand that others are finding it hard and it doesn't mean I think I shouldn't go back to work as soon as I'm able to, which I will.

@awaywiththecircus

I feel I have no choice though as the fearful seem to be dictating what’s happening moving forward.

I understand your concern, here. OP. Sometimes it does seem that way. Can't control others, but you can control how much you let their attitudes bother you.

You do what you feel is safe and sensible, and leave them to it. Covid-19 is really forcing people to do their research and examine the evidence - objective and anecdotal - and then decide what is best for them.

Redolent "Someone posted their prolonged experience was Covid and insisted that children shouldn’t go back to school in June. Why does their difficult if non-life threatening experience of illness outweigh the futures...." it doesn't.

The scientists will advise the government and the government will decide and maybe they will choose wisely and maybe not but it won't be based on your opinion or anyone else here.

But scientists aren't all in agreement though!

People need to read a bit more widely and not just regurgitate sound bites from scientists who fit their opinion.

Have people no understanding of confirmation bias?

My husband and I are working pretty much as normal, juggling childcare and are exhausted but we feel it's too early for restrictions to be lifted. If people who are furloughed are managing to have a decent time then bloody good on them, not everyone can be at work right now and there is no point in everyone being miserable if we can help it.

I have seen too many poorly people of all ages, body sizes and colour and don't think we have the numbers low enough for it not to peak again.

Please believe us HCPs who tell you that if you can avoid catching it you really should. Some are lucky and get it relatively mild but others are not so lucky and it is fucking awful. I have seen too many people afraid they are going to die alone.