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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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CrunchyCarrot · 05/05/2020 21:36

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changeshermind · 08/05/2020 12:13

It's a ridiculous situation

changeshermind · 08/05/2020 12:27

I wouldn't do that Keepdistance. Have you still symptoms

Inkpaperstars · 08/05/2020 12:43

I am getting a bit more scared because I have an autoimmune condition and a history of extreme inflammatory responses, and am at raised risk of blood clots. On the other hand, I recently lost sense of smell completely for 10-14 days, and more than two weeks after it began to come back it is still massively compromised. So maybe I already had it, but I doubt it as can't believe would get off that lightly. I have had a letter giving me a telephone appt re underlying condition so will report back if hear anything of relevance for others.

RigaBalsam · 08/05/2020 13:53

Ink I have lost my sense of smell and taste on and off for 18 months due to allergies.
I have psoriasis but no other immune conditions.

weepingwillow22 · 08/05/2020 14:27

The survey asks about pregnancy but what about breastfeeding which lowers oestrogen levels?

HeIenaDove · 08/05/2020 14:48

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/renters-evicted-june-tories-pledge-coronavirus-landlords?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0nPQ-wVVrlowha9KgZIlrX2VeoYVXKTAN7pJkp2QfFtrFP3_yCGzp93to

Thousands of renters could be evicted in June. Will the government protect them?
David Renton
The coronavirus-related freeze on evictions is ending – and the new ‘pre-action protocol’ relies on the kindness of landlords

When the lockdown ends what will happen to tenants? Almost nine million households, more than a third of all families in Britain, rent from a private landlord, a council or a housing association.

Because of coronavirus, many are now in financial need. Nearly two million claims for universal credit have been made since lockdown measures were announced in the UK. Welfare claimants are entitled to payments equivalent to housing benefit. But, as a result of changes made to benefits over the last decade (like the bedroom tax and restrictions to local housing allowance), it is increasingly rare for housing benefit to pay all of a tenant’s rent.

Others, although ineligible for universal credit, are also in difficulty: because they have received a redundancy cheque that will soon be spent, or their self-employed grant hasn’t arrived yet. Then there are furloughed workers, paid now, but waiting for news of redundancies from their employer.

Right now, all possession hearings – the main step in evicting a tenant – are “stayed”. This is the legal equivalent of putting food in a freezer. The cases are still there, ready to be thawed out at any moment.

Where a tenant is behind with their rent, landlords can issue them with a notice instructing them to leave, but (for the moment) the tenant can ignore it. On 25 June the housing courts will reopen for business. Judges will have to determine thousands of stayed pre-coronavirus cases, and the even greater number of new claims for possession arising from the lockdown

Ministers have grasped that hundreds of thousands of homes are at risk. Earlier this week the housing minister, Robert Jenrick, announced that the government was working closely with judges to draft a “pre-action protocol” for when the stay is lifted.

He told MPs that the protocol will “enable tenants to have an added degree of protection, because instead of embarking upon the eviction proceedings immediately, there will be a duty upon their landlords to reach out to them, discuss their situation, and try to find an affordable repayment plan”.

The problem with the protocol is that it is toothless – essentially depending on the benevolence of landlords.

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The two most common ways landlords seek possession are under “section 21” and “ground 8”. Section 21 provides that where a landlord has complied with certain procedural requirements (like issuing a notice using the correct form and waiting for a prescribed time before applying to court) the court must order
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The statute does not require a landlord to have complied with the government’s proposed pre-action protocol. For that reason, even where landlords have rushed to issue proceedings, and have ignored requests from tenants to defer payments for a short time, judges will be required to approve evictions.

Ground 8 provides that where a tenant is in rent arrears (eight weeks if the rent is due weekly), both when the landlord serves a notice on them and when the hearing takes place, the court must order possession.

Again, the court takes no account of the landlord’s conduct; it focuses simply on the amount of the tenant’s arrears. In these circumstances, if the new protocol is as the minister describes it, it will not protect tenants at all.

There are alternatives. In last year’s general election, the Conservatives committed to abolish section 21 as part of their “better deal for renters”. The government reaffirmed that commitment in the Queen’s speech, announcing a renters’ reform bill to include the abolition of section 21. They should be held to that promise. As for ground 8, it too needs to be abolished. Or, if that is impossible, rescinded for such time until tenants have had a chance to reduce their debts once they’re able to go back to work.

Abolishing or rescinding ground 8 would not prevent landlords relying on other grounds of possession. But, without it in place, judges will be free to order possession only if reasonable – thereby giving effect to the tenant defences the government says that it wants in place. One further advantage of abolishing ground 8 is that courts can turn to other possession proceedings in which possession orders are made but suspended, while tenants are given the chance to repay arrears to a realistic plan.

Muddling on without the abolition of section 21 and ground 8 will lead to millions of people forced out of their homes. It will send those evicted scattering – some to stay with elderly relatives, some into local authority housing (although it is at breaking point) and many into homelessness.

The government accepts that street homelessness speeds the transmission of coronavirus: this is the grim calculation that underpins the government’s granting of resources to councils to house rough sleepers. Drifting into a future where huge numbers of people lose their homes needlessly would be just as dangerous – for those who are evicted, and for everyone else.

• David Renton is a housing barrister at Garden Court Chambers

changeshermind · 08/05/2020 16:16

It's not a very good time to have to move house is it. That is worrying inkpaperstars but try not to. Maybe if you've taken immuno suppressant you might have got rid of any virus without really noticing. Or if your immune system could it have inflamed your sinuses really bad and stopped it spreading

Inkpaperstars · 08/05/2020 16:48

Thanks Riga and changes, it's all a mystery at the moment. I suppose in a month or so we will know so much more about this. I hope your allergies aren't too bad as the weather warms Riga.

bluefoxmug · 08/05/2020 17:38

the school meal voucher scheme has been badly implemented

who'd thunk it.

StrawberryJam200 · 08/05/2020 17:47

The symptom tracker app has emailed users saying:

We have been asked by NHS England if we can help them to understand why men are more at risk from COVID than women.

  • particularly the role of oestrogen.
changeshermind · 08/05/2020 18:31

Let's not forget Matt's response to MP concern over immune suppressed children in school : "children are not affected". Maybe they thought we would think it's the scientists fault.

HeIenaDove · 08/05/2020 19:23

www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/08/exclusive-premier-league-clubs-told-expect-coronavirus-test/

Exclusive: Premier League clubs told to expect coronavirus test results in 24 hours - quicker than key workers
Project Restart criticised as former public health director asks "if football can get results in this amount of time, why can’t everybody?

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2020 23:16

"A mobile coronavirus testing unit will be based in your locality for three days from Sunday until Tuesday."

Obviously if you havent been infected by now you've missed your opportunity to get a test in. Coronavirus only works infecting people here few a few days.

Keepdistance · 08/05/2020 23:23

Thats disgusting Helena!
1 because they are non essential work
2 because they are then taking away processing
3 because we need to get drs nurses etc back quickly if they dont have it
4 because if they do have it we should be telling contavts to isolate
5 people are more likely to isolate from family members properly if they are confirmed to have it.

What sort of country are we to prioritise football A as something that needs to return
And B as needing the tests more as anyway they would only be infecting up to x members of the other team.

Keepdistance · 08/05/2020 23:33

Also looks like sport has major concerns about returning.
Really? Compared to other jobs they will be in contact with just the other team.
Interested to see what people who think teachers and pupils should s### or get off the pot make of that?
I would think the age range of teachers and pupil parents is on average higher than footballers. Plus more likely to have health issues. (Im not saying i think wealthy footballers should go back. But at least they can make a choice.)

Are they testing them before a match to see if they are contagious because i have to say that is outrageous. Imagine if we had done that for the care home stsff or every day for nhs staff

ToffeeYoghurt · 08/05/2020 23:48

The baby. There just unimaginably awful. The poor poor parents. Just awful.

Are you on immunosuppressants @Inkpaperstars? I agree with PP they might've helped. It's possible they prevent a severe reaction to Covid. Of course it's very early days re potential treatment trials so definitely keep on taking precautions. It might turn out they don't help afterall. It's something to hope for at least.

I don't think it's great PR for the football world if they get tests ahead of key workers. I assume they're private tests? Why can't networkers get tests done as quickly? I wonder if football would consider some sort of matching? Every time there's a football test, a key worker gets one(in the same timeframe) too?

Inkpaperstars · 09/05/2020 00:07

Not currently on any immuno suppressants Toffee. I agree they and immuno modulators are an interesting line of enquiry.

Keepdistance · 09/05/2020 01:06

I just dont see why people arent more angry at the gov.instead blaming teachers for wanting to be relatively safe.
Why do uk always have to be different why cant they look at china and say -thst worked to contain it. And thst is working to prevent spread in schools.
No its just lies making people think it's just spread by touching things.
Our hand washing didnt really save us the first time.
No lets just ram all the kids in one tiny room and make sure they all get it. We dobt care if they have life long side effects

HeIenaDove · 09/05/2020 01:37

Teeside

twitter.com/missjchambers7/status/1258817962628218891?s=20

ToffeeYoghurt · 09/05/2020 02:11

Unfortunately you get idiots everywhere. I bet sensible people in Teeside don't want to be associated with the ones in that video.

Keepdistance Why are people angry with teachers? Is it that teachers (and other school staff) don't want to go back before it's safe? They have every right to feel that way.

HeIenaDove · 09/05/2020 03:25

Schofield went back to his family home.

But yeah its the fatties Hmm

middleoftheroad · 09/05/2020 08:06

Sorry I didn't reply re the data/oestrogen question yesterday.

(Went out to see neighbours, who offered me a VE drink and am afraid the rest is history).

Somebody asked why I am using the Covid Symptom Tracker app.
I thought it was helpful to researchers? That's the only reason. Now paranoid I shouldn't be giving my data away Confused

MollyButton · 09/05/2020 08:21

I'm using the symptom tracker. To be honest the amount of info given is small, and several papers have come from its data already.
You do also have the chance to get a test if you show symptoms which could be a huge positive.

Please don't let other people's paranoia destroy your personal sense of civic responsibility and altruism. It is often the people who are most against giving any answers to questions who are also the ones most clamouring for data. If people with mild symptoms or no symptoms do not take part in these kinds of data gathering we have no hope of knowing how prevalent the virus is.

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