Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

[CrunchyCarrot]

New thread!

Definitely. I think it’s too much, at far too high a level of infections, and the “mitigations” are just window dressing.
So many things I find concerning: if I’m reading it correctly, one of the “mitigations” for the 2m rule reduction is “having hand washing facilities”. Surely that’s nothing to do with airborne transmission, which is the risk here. What would help, which is making masks compulsory, isn’t being expanded beyond public transport. Saying that pubs won’t check ID or who is meeting whom is almost a blatant invitation to break the rules.
In very concerned about the shielded. It’s so “back on your bike now and off you go, we’re washing our hands of you”. I could go on. In the mean time, track and trace is still all over the place.

It feels haphazard, rushed, and with barely any effort to conceal the clear economy first agenda.
We may just get away with it over the summer, but I fear it could blow up in our faces massively come through autumn- and yes, with dire consequences for the economy too.

Exactly that!
He really caves to pressure
Pressure from parents to get kids ft( when as you say clearly not safe for the teachers as it's airborne) pressure from pub bosses.
But they just have no critical thinking.
If people dont feel safe they wont go. In a pub if you are 1m away from loads of people say 10 it's 10x the 2. Whatever chance of getting it if they all were infected. Same in any room.

The hand washing just really irritates me. They dont even know it makes much (any?) difference.
Eg we all had some virus april time. I wash my hands loads but as we are all in the same house all of us got it.
And if you think about say norovirus my dc have vomited near me but i dont get it (immune) it gets in the air.
Whereas my dc caught it from a cousin who was sick in the onsuite but did come downstairs in pj and i imagine it was still contagious from her breath. But again only 1 other person of 9 people got it.
Im sure hand washing might slow the spread but imo if people want to avoid it they need to not get close nor indoors with people.

School cases are rising and yet a small % of kids in.
Tbh i dont think they should be saying 1/1700 anyway if it's based on testing 1000 random people?

Do you think they could include some teachers on the vax trial (as they did hcp) if they wanted to?
If shielded are expected back to work then i imagine their kids are expected back at school ... With no SD.

I was reading it's not necessarily a cytokine storm but actually what it was still inflammation was still improved by vit d. And i also still think cod liver oil could help.

What do you mean in regards to fines for non attendance? Did they say from when?

Getting the same, sinking feeling as many of us had in Feb/March. Shit’s hitting the fan internationally. Unfortunately we seem to have decided we’re done with it here.

Dumbfounded also that masks haven’t been made mandatory indoors.

What do you all want , lockdown forever , you moan that we dont do what other countries do and then moan when we do
We have to try going back , people are also loosing their jobs , companies and then houses etc will follow
No economy , no nhs
He clearly said he will bring restrictions back either regionally or nationally , the rest of europe is easing and we have to start to soon and its nowhere near back to normal

@Keepdistance absolutely, airborne transmission is the main way it spreads. And I’m not a teacher, but I agree that teachers have been thrown under the bus in this one. No protection, no PPE, and claims that social distancing in schools isn’t necessary is based on pretty flimsy evidence (as many studies say children do spread it as not). And they are subjected to vitriol for daring to as much as think of their and their families’ health.
@Redolent yep. Well put. It’s the panic I was feeling early on when the bad news was piling in and BoJo was singing happy birthday and washing jos hands.

*his

Yeah, not sleeping and feeling very stressed again and scared.

@strugglingwithdeciding, Europe is opening up at much lower numbers of infections than us. Let alone places like Australia and South Korea - they are closing at much lower numbers!
Also, France, Germany, Spain, etc. have made masks compulsory in indoor public spaces.
Our lockdown was late, barely enforced, and is being lifted early. So the economy is suffering but the outbreak is carrying on. Re imposing a lockdown or lockdowns will be much harder than doing the first one properly.

What I want is a more robust track and trace and regular testing of front line workers .

Someone was saying about a test being developed to test groups of people at once.
That would be good. Imagine if you could test all hcp in the hospital or kids/staff at school.

School seem to think they will have the parents in for an info evening in sept (confused). Really cant see that going ahead at minimum surely some restrictions on who is on site?!

I looked at the actual nhs deaths and its about 50 a day now. So i guess 2000 or more cases creased that.
I don't understand how the 'leaked' phe info says 7k cases a day but they only confirmed 1k+ so the tracing isnt really working as they should finding the asymptomatic people too. How many of the cases are from the tracing?
Also if they had started this months ago they would

• have had experience
• have had those people isolating.

what will yr r classes do as most kids under 5 so wont be tested so will they all be off as soon as there's a fever or cough?

I think waiting for the positive result leaves a lot of people extra catching it.
Surely vulnerable/extremely vulnerable should be told about suspected cases so they can remove their child.

Have followed this thread since the 1st one, glad it is back, I really did learn so much in feb/March. I'm returning to a school and I'm concerned to be honest by other countries experiences in the second instance.

@Keepdistance, I’d love to see more numbers on the track and trace too. Even less of a chance now that the briefings have been canned!

I wonder what would be most interesting to post on this thread- numbers? interesting articles? General discussion?
It’s definitely a relief not to be called a dementor for even worrying about this!

I followed this thread back in Feb/March too and wondered where it had gone. I assumed it has disappeared because the whole Coronavirus section covers the lot - but somehow this particular thread is more informative and reassuring for it's sensibleness than all of the others put together.

So I'm glad (if it ever actually disappeared) that it's now back.

I have enjoyed this thread as well. I like that it is a general thread so possible to talk about all aspects of this. I am in France but follow the uk closely since my family is there. Focus in France is on clusters. Article in paper yesterday saying that many scientist think a second wave is " probable". I hate to be a dementor but it was a bit of a wake up call, since life mostly back to normal for a while. Has made be be a bit more careful. The uk is i presume watching Europe closely.

Yes i think a second wave. But will really depend on
antibodies and whether they last
T cells and whether they are more people immune
How virus reacts to the coder weather
Whether uk public go back in pubs and indoors
What weather is like (so worse here than EU..)
How many selfish people there are

As on other thread there were people saying op should
Travel back via dublin to avoid quarantine
Just not quarantine...

If we remove quarantine we will be doing a fen half term again and the kids will only get a few weeks in school especially if its from countries with high infection but also because flying is inherently risky due to distance from other people.

I agree with a teacher on another thread and would get schools back pt in sept at least for first few weeks as everyone will have been all over and getting all those especially secondary back will definitely raise infections as happened with swine flu a drop over summer then other peak.

@EarlGreywithLemon if it's numbers you want then this is the par excellence thread:
Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3948518-Daily-numbers-graphs-analysis-thread-11

@StrawberryJam200 thank you, you’re right, that’s a very helpful thread. I read it on and off, but I admit sometimes the analysis gets a bit too intricate for me .
Anyone else think we are heading the way of Texas with the pubs reopening next week? And that it’ll be a cold day in hell before people stay a metre apart and in two-household groups after a few pints?

I don't think adding public drinking is necessarily going to help either the public atmosphere or the spread of the virus. Especially if the hot weather carries on and tempers flare or people start taking refuge in places with air conditioning.

A food manufacturer in the nearest town to me had to close this week for deep cleaning after 15 people became infected. That's adults, who (one would hope in a food processing plant) are practicing good hygiene. So the idea of kids going into schools doesn't seem especially feasible at present.

With thenon quarantine counyries that is going to have awfu consequences when kids/teachers return from abroad and go straight to schools.
Because of the lack of SD school should be an exception.

On another tjread a baby died in another country from being held by neighbours.

With testing i can see some awful situations happening here.
What if a teacher/student/parent/grandparent dies and its obvious that someone sent a kid in ill or kid should have been isolating as a parent ill etc.

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Completely unnecessary and irresponsible decision. But why am I not surprised?

From Twitter

the wayward nun
@MiraDreams
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@DrFrancesRyan
To force many benefit claimants onto public transport to get to job centres during this pandemic is just a disgrace and risks lives. It’s also totally unnecessary at a time when we are facing high unemployment & they’ll be many more jobseekers than vacancies.
Lorraine O'Mahoney #FBPE #stopcancer
@Lomquiche
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Here in Milton Keynes, & probably elsewhere, not only are there greater restrictions on number of passengers allowed on board buses, but frequency has been reduced on routes so that those who have to take 2 buses to Job Centre may spend nearly an hour waiting for a connection.

So schools will be back as usual so next wave october then