"lips must turn blue before an ambulance will come out"

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I've heard that claim a few times, about probable cv19 cases not being allowed to go to hospital.

Is it true or just hyperbole? I think it might be a gross exaggeration. Does anyone have a link to a real named person or even an NHS staff person saying this has happened?

I'm happy to see a SAD face in tabloids where someone is willing to not anonymously say it happened to themself or their loved one or their patient. I can't even find a tabloid story like that, though.

I think there's a communication problem

'We will not come until their lips are blue

Is different from 'someone is calling you back. If, in the meantime, things get worse or their lips turn blue you must call us back immediately.'

The second is standard advice they give when you call. Even when it's not covid. I phoned when I had similar symptoms to covid but back in Feb. I was struggling to breathe and felt shit. I was given the 'if you get worse or lips turn blue, call us immediately.

That doesn't mean you don't get help unless you lips turn blue. It means if you get worse (and these are the signs to look for) don't just sit an wait for a call back.

I suspect most have been told the second. But have taken it to be the first.

I went to A&E with severe chest pain when breathing but didn’t call an ambulance. The doctor who checked me over said the pain was ‘normal’ but that it didn’t mean I was getting enough oxygen. He said if that were the case my “lips would begin to look blue”. If that happened, I was to go straight to A&E or call an ambulance.
Am now fully recovered!

the logic being they are not sick enough? If the NHS isn’t overwhelmed, & we’ve told it’s not, why?
No.

Because if they took people in when they needed oxygen they wouldn't be able to crow about excess capacity

I would still like to know whether care homes were advised/assumed that their residents would not be admitted to hospital, if suffering from Covid symptoms, and if so, whether this is still the case.

That aside, if care home/nursing home residents are too far gone for any treatment to work or too frail to be taken to hospital for invasive procedures, are they left to die without any sort of relief from suffering which might be offered in a hospice, for example? I really don't know. Does anyone?

My mother died (at home) of lung cancer and emphesymaa while back. She was given oxygen to use at home at home which I presume could be provided to people in care homes who are having trouble breathing due to covid 19.

I imagine it is not against the law if an elderly relative is sick and has not been diagnosed with anything specific that you can take them back home if you want to as the care home does not own the patient like some kind of indentured slave. I would certainly prefer to die at home as both my parents managed (as they wished).

And 2 of those we were just being cautious because they were babies.

What a nice post from a paramedic

Oops just realised you might have meant they were literally babies . In which case I apologise profusely

Bumbling haha

Oops just realised you might have meant they were literally babies . In which case I apologise profusely

Really sorry but this really made me laugh

@bumblingbovine49 sorry that made me howl too. I think they were ACTUAL babies

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8258913/Paramedics-ordered-coronavirus-sufferers-hospital-scorecard-threshold-lowered.html Paramedics are ordered to take more coronavirus sufferers to hospital as 'scorecard' threshold is lowered amid fears too many patients were seriously ill before reaching A&E

I would still like to know whether care homes were advised/assumed that their residents would not be admitted to hospital, if suffering from Covid symptoms, and if so, whether this is still the case

My dp's Uncle was took to hospital last week and tested positive with covid19 along with 5 other residents from the care home.

He spent 2 days in hospital and is now back in the care home in isolation. I don't know about the other residents.

I would still like to know whether care homes were advised/assumed that their residents would not be admitted to hospital, if suffering from Covid symptoms, and if so, whether this is still the case

No, because many residents have been going in for treatment, or for treatment of other issues. IF they wish. However, many residents have also expressed a wish NOT to go in, and those wishes have to be granted.