Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

[LilacTree1]

Is it Prof Karel Sikora saying Spain is now in good news territory- increased infections showing an overwhelming majority making a perfectly good recovery.

[Bluntness100]

But buried in there, the plan has been put forwards

That’s not a plan. That’s a high level strategy. A plan is on x date, x will happen, on y date, y will happen in addition. And on a date this is what will happen, in addition, a b and c will occur, and if cases increase past a certain point, d will happen.

That’s a plan.

[MarginalGain]

Diana you seem to take MN awfully personally.

I never wanted a lockdown, it seems like the government wants to side-step the fact that by locking down, they were guaranteeing future spikes.

I certainly won't be bothering you in July with your hypothetical complaints, I would love to think I'll be on a beach somewhere instead (hollow laugh).

[nellodee]

Plan
verb
1.
decide on and make arrangements for in advance.

[OhTheRoses]

Believe me I'm prepared for that ihopeyourcakeisshit and I say that as someone whois almost 60, who has already been caught by the cap to the tune of several thousands of pounds, and who with half my pension locked into a FSS has already been asked to take a 12.5% pay cut due to Covid.

[Northernsoullover]

I was happy for the lockdown to be implemented, I'm happy (ish) to be in it for a bit longer. However lifting it so I can get back to work will be welcome. I'm not at risk in a statistical sense but I'm still pretty terrified so when they are eased I have my own risk assessments to carry out. I'll be offered more freedom and I will choose which freedoms I want to take.

[catsandlavender]

@DianaT1969 I agree with you that everyone was posting about how awful it was that we weren’t in lockdown, and now want it lifted. I suppose that’s natural though. What I don’t get is the fact that posters are just straight up rude to people who don’t agree with them.
Why be harsh to those who don’t want lockdown lifted yet? How can you possibly know their reasoning, which could be totally valid. And same to those who do want it lifted.. they could be going bankrupt.
You’re all grown women presumably, some posters need to grow up and stop arguing with random people. Just have a bit of empathy!

[cantory]

We are in lock down because the government was slow to act and is now having to stop hundreds of thousands of people dying.
And no individuals can't lock down without government support. Most people are not even allowed to work from home until the government said they had to.

[cantory]

And the government are finally saying we need mass testing, contact tracing and isolating those who are infected. If this had been done from the start lock down may not have been needed.

[yearinyearout]

We aren't really in lock down though, not in the true sense of the word.

i would like some restrictions to be lifted soon, but that doesn't mean I plan to go out partying. I'm quite happy for shops to open in a controlled way, allowing only so many in, insist masks are worn etc. I can cope with pubs etc staying closed for a while. I just want my dd to be able to go back to work, even if it's from home, I want my DS to be able to come and stay for the week, but I'm happy to stay away from extended friends/family/the general public.

Most people I speak to are similar, would like less restrictions but are still happy to observe social distancing long term.

[Bellendejour]

@DominaShantotto Thanks for summing this up better than I could ever hope to

[cantory]

@yearinyearout Why can't your DD work from home at the moment?

[BakedCam]

@FliesandPies

You've missed my point. The calls for an exit strategy are all over the place. It is the calls for them that is over egged.

I'm not placing all my hopes on an exit strategy. I saw elsewhere that Sturgeon had published Scotlands.

It is the latest buzzword. Used largely by people on forums.

[HandfulOfFlowers]

As pp have said, it is because it is clear that we need to move to living alongside the virus because it will be around for a while. There is only so long that people who are low risk and so are all their household and family will be prepared to put their lives on hold for the benefit of the smaller minority at risk. They cannot afford this situation as it currently is for much longer.

[Drivingdownthe101]

Mumsnet- Why aren't we locked down? Other countries are. This is madness!
Mumsnet- There are still flights arriving. We're supposed to be locked down!
Mumsnet - Can I fly to Spain for a holiday mid-May?
Mumsnet - Look at the leader of New Zealand doing amazingly well compared to ours (with her 5 million population)
Mumsnet - This lockdown needs to end! It's awful and can't go on! It's been 4 weeks and the government won't tell us anything!

Gosh, anyone would think Mumsnet was more than one person with more than one opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️

[cantory]

@HandfulOfFlowers Except it is not just those in the shielded group dying. I know you would gladly sacrifice them though. Like my friends little boy who is 9.
But many people who are dying have very common underlying conditions and are in the wider vulnerable group. One third of the population are estimated to be in the vulnerable group.

[LaurieFairyCake]

One third of the population vulnerable to this disease?

Really?

[cantory]

They are the figures I saw. I don't know if they are accurate. I do know that diseases like high blood pressure, asthma, diabetes are all very common.

[puffinandkoala]

What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul

Which is the exact reason we can't stay in lockdown forever. We may never have a vaccine, we may never have a reliable treatment. We may just have to get on with it. Some people will die. Some people will be very ill. Most will be ill for a few days, feel they want to die, and get over it in time.

So on the assumption there may never be a vaccine, or one that is safe and effective enough to use in the next 18 months, what do you suggest OP? Peoples' lives are passing them by. My uncle has Parkinsons, he wants to make the most of life before it gets worse.

[milveycrohn]

I am very worried about what the Lockdown (even the 'mild' kind of lockdown we have in the UK), is doing to the economy.
Unfortunately, we need a prosperous economy to pay for the NHS, etc.
Schools(and nurseries) being closed is affecting the eductaion and development of children and young people. Generally speaking it is the poorer families who are unable to help with home schooling, etc
Many business will fold, causing mass unemployment.
The Gov will have to pay for everything by taxing and borrowing more which in turn will cause inflation.
The knock on effect of other illnesses not being dealt with - cancers, etc
The isolation of those (not only elderly), who live on their own.
(I did read in the paper of a teenage girl who recently killed herself over the lockdown, but I deliberately did not read all the details, so cannot identify it now).
I am also worried about young families who live in small flats, who cannot easily get out with accessing the communal lifts, areas, and then may have a considerable walk to their nearest park.
So, Lockdown will have to end eventually. Many business have said, if they could have some kind of time frame, they would be able to plan.
Individually, I admit, I am also worried about getting the illness, and intend to try and wash hands more, and other self isolation measures.

[puffinandkoala]

everyone was posting about how awful it was that we weren’t in lockdown, and now want it lifted

I didn't post that it was awful that we weren't in lockdown, it was the last thing I wanted. Fortunately it hasn't been that strict (though I see the Welsh government is now making it stricter in Wales). People wanted the schools closed because the weather got better after weeks of floods and high winds, and thought it would be a lovely holiday. Some of us realised that even a light lockdown like we have in the UK is anything but a holiday.

And to Welsh government: where is the evidence that cyclists staying within "walking distance" of home - whatever walking distance is - will reduce the spread of the virus? I cycled 12 miles this lunchtime, in a loop, and probably didn't go more than 6 miles from home at any point. But is 6 miles "walking distance"? It's running distance, to be sure.

[Bounceyflouncey]

That's exactly it, we are in it for the long haul, and for most people this isn't sustainable as is, especially when furlough payments come to an end. I don't think people want or expect it to end, but for the next step to become clearer. Ideally testing, but that seems impossible for some reason!

[rwalker]

There is no magic answer full lockdown worries me as no one exposed to CV so everyone is vulnerable to it.
They need a manageable amount of infections and sadly deaths. But if they admitted this there would be an outcry people think there is a silver bullet that will make the virus disappear .
Thats why this lockdown seems half arsed and people about we need people exposed to it .

[BenjiB]

We were only locked down to ease the pressure on the nhs. Once that’s manageable lockdown should be lifted, it’s ridiculous to think we stay inside until it’s gone. It’s nit going away.

[cantory]

Just reading the comments here and it is clear that for most of you the "solution" is just to let a lot of people die.
The initial calculation was that half a million people would die in Britain from this without any actions from the government.
So how many deaths are acceptable to you? 100,000? quarter of a million? half a million? As many as it takes?