Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

@SarahTancredi - surely step 1 is reducing lockdown will be restarting hospital care for non-covid needs that were in the queue, I can't see them leaving it for months longer when there just isn't the need for that extra capacity. (Unless everyone zooms back completely to normal as some posters seem to want, then any of us needing other care are fucked.)

That would also require "unlocking" family and neighbours and taxis etc though. And potentially permitting children access to hospitals and drs in order to be able to take these people to and from appointments. And yes that also means returning to work to pay for the expenses required to drive people to and from appointments, pick up stuff they need, arrange dog walkers or private care after etc

@sunflowery 100%

@MRex think you've misunderstood the ONS data. Much of that is more likely to be "missed" covid deaths.

No I haven't misunderstood it. A lot is people dying of conditions that the would have attended hospital for earlier ego related end up dying, ie heart attacks.

Of course what the ONS data doesn't show yet is the non treated cancer patients

Aside from the fact that Covid has caused heart attacks and strokes (in previously young and healthy people), the deaths in those who don't attend hospital for heart attacks, etc, and untreated cancer patients are down to Covid. A pandemic will cause many deaths. Most directly, but some indirectly. I dread to think how many more we'll see if lockdown is lifted too early and we have a bad second wave.

It's an awful dilemma for people. The truth is that it can be dangerous going to hospital during a pandemic. People, including the HCP who work there, have caught Covid from "clean" hospital areas.

Cancer patients are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Postponing carries a risk but then so does treatment. Cancer patients are very vulnerable to Covid. Ideally we'd have separate hospitals set aside for urgent non Covid care (I thought that's what the private ones were going to be used for). Perhaps we don't have enough staff? Or is it simply the risk of one infected patient or staff member putting everyone else in danger (unintentionally)?

@MarieG10 - the heart attack could have been caused by covid, as could pneumonia etc. We know GPs haven't all followed the same approach in whether to add covid to a death certificate without a test. That's not to say it's all of them, and indirect deaths are every bit as awful to see, but your post had suggested all deaths over those marked covid were non-covid, and that isn't the case.

I read an article in the FT where a DR in another country said that when they tested people coming into hospital for heart attacks, etc, that most had covid 19. Heart attacks are I thought a recognised possible outcome of covid 19.
And yes some people will not go to hospital because they are afraid of covid 19 or even because it takes so long to get through to 111 so they give up and convince themselves that what they have is minor after all.

And when someone has an underlying condition but has not seen a Dr before they die, it can be hard to determine what caused their death without a post mortem. But post mortems are not happening. So a GP may put underlying illness as cause of death, when it was not the cause.