Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

I also hear that hospitals have ramped up their cleaning routines and infections are now better guarded against. Not sure why they should have had to

Yes. Hospital cleaning has been a scandal for years.

Scotland havent written an exit strategy. It clearly says that current restrictions will not be lifted. It is a review of the current situation.

What is all this bollocks with folks wanting an exit strategy?

In full agreement with posters upthread making sense. We know what we know and we don't know what we don't.

I see lots of people scaremongering about Sweden. They aren't too far from what we are doing apart from keeping hospitality open, and younger children at school. They've closed their care homes because of the obvious. They just haven't sank their economy.

What do people think herd immunity is? It will be the overall outcome from this.

What is all this bollocks with folks wanting an exit strategy?

How is it 'bollocks' to expect an exit strategy?

Agree with the pp about change in perspective, what is it you need to stay locked down op? Is it benefits? Financial help? Because past that what’s left, any kids you can home school, as long as you’ve a roof over your head and food on the table, then you can continue to lock you and yours down until you feel it’s safe to come out.

If others, like myself, want a way to manage this, with things like social distancing, maybe masks, whatever, so we can live and not just survive under something close to house arrest, then we should be able to do this too.

We should all have a choice. On 11 may we will have been locked down for nearly two months, many are happy with continued restrictions, but not this survival mode. If we want to see our friends, families, go to work, whatever, we need to be able to, whilst managing the virus accordingly.

It really needs to be you make your choice, but let everyone else make theirs. We can’t force you out your house. You can’t demand we are forced to stay in ours.

Domina for PM

MN is way more of a vipers pit than usual.

I read somewhere that Spanish spike has been due to antibodies tests being performed.
We cannot just sit and wait for a vaccine for another year.

The lockdown should be extended well into the second half of next year.

Herd immunity is only helpful if the virus doesn't continually mutate and if we develop antibodies which is not clear.

There is no herd immunity against the common cold and vaccines re flu are targetted for that year's anticipated mutation.

We have to learn to live with it.

I think @DominaShantotto wins MN post of the day!

@JoeBidensDisintegratingBrain and where's the money going to come from to pay the millions of workers that have either been furloughed or forced to stop working due to lockdown? You think the country can afford to pay their wages for more than a year?

This is the plan. Get cases low (I think I've heard 500 new cases a day, currently we're at about 4000). Get contact tracing up and running. Ease lockdown.

This is from the Guardian, quoting our Health Minister Matt Hancock, where he outlines the plan above:

Easing the lockdown depends on the speed at which the number of new cases of Covid-19 falls and that is as yet “unknown”, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has said.

The number of new cases is being tracked through hospital admissions, through a new testing study in the community announced on Wednesday, and data that will be gathered from people coming forward for tests under an expansion of the programme.

However, he added that there was no prospect of easing the lockdown yet, and that cases needed to drop substantially before the next phase of isolating infected people and their contacts could be truly effective.

People are asking me what I want. People are saying that lockdown can't go on forever until there is a vaccine. Those people have the same access to news as me. It's going to be reviewed in the UK within 2 weeks and most European countries are lifting lockdown slowly now. So why all the threads banging on about this? When is it going to be lifted? Why won't the government spell out their plan now? It's going to be a long process of varying measures. Dependent on many things, including rates of transmission and potential spikes. Are we going to keep having these angry, impatient threads until a vaccine?

Agree with the “let’s get on with the long term” posters.

I went to Tesco yesterday and it was very “new world” civilised. No queues but set up for queuing. People sanitising their trolleys, walking around following the arrows,Perspex wrapped around the cashier.

I think people have adjusted to carrying out their weekly shop and it feels like people need to be able to adjust the rest of their lives too.

It's going to be reviewed in the UK within 2 weeks and most European countries are lifting lockdown slowly now. So why all the threads banging on about this?

Why do you so unthinkingly accept the wisdom of two more weeks of this?

The lockdown should be extended well into the second half of next year

I'd wholeheartedly support this for some posters on here. I'm not worried about the virus but I'm genuinely concerned that this level of fuckwittery might be contagious.

Diana based on your update, what you’re annoyed about is the content of MN?!

Lockdown will continue until testing has been established. They are saying testing AND contact tracing. So don't hold your breath folks.

The lockdown should be extended well into the second half of next year
What gear are you on?

Op. You appear to have changed tack completely. And are now just pissed off at the threads asking. It didn’t take much to sway you. It has to be said.

@bamboozledandBefuddled yes absolutely I too am genuinely concerned about the level of fuckwittery and whether it is contagious. Far greater a risk to the stability of the UK.

Anyone who wants to remain in lockdown can do so. If they are not shielding and in paid employment they risk being in breach of contract and wi be subject to dismissal and will have difficulty claiming benefots in those circs. Lockdown is fine providing there is no personal risk to wellbeing other than from covid. For the majority of those under pension age or ineligible for benefits that is not so. Braced for huge tax hikes.

Just to clarify - I don't want to extend lockdown.
Mumsnet- Why aren't we locked down? Other countries are. This is madness!
Mumsnet- There are still flights arriving. We're supposed to be locked down!
Mumsnet - Can I fly to Spain for a holiday mid-May?
Mumsnet - Look at the leader of New Zealand doing amazingly well compared to ours (with her 5 million population)
Mumsnet - This lockdown needs to end! It's awful and can't go on! It's been 4 weeks and the government won't tell us anything!

In July when there are more spikes -
Mumsnet - We lifted lockdown too soon!

I'd just like the angry posts, swinging from extreme to extreme to become more accepting that it's going to be a while.

The lockdown should be extended well into the second half of next year.

I’m not sure if you wrote that with a straight face or are having a laugh. It would be very hard for anyone to know it’s simply not feasible to lock down that long. Who would pay for it for one?

I think at first, we needed the press conferences, because we weren't getting any information and things were changing very quickly.

But now, things are not changing very quickly, and no-one is listening to what is being said any more.

Because I have to be fair (and being fair to Tories comes very hard to me), if you listen to what is being said, then they are telling us the plan, it's just buried among so much other stuff, and Whitty speaks in a voice that puts you to sleep and zzzzzz......

...huh? Wha? But buried in there, the plan has been put forwards.

Lower cases.
Test and trace.
Ease lockdown.
Monitor and adjust.

Yes, we've also got all the other issues about PPE not arriving, and tests not working, and care homes being sacrificed to empty hospitals, and lots of other horrible issues, and no, the message isn't being put over clearly, but that's the plan, it seems.

Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago.

2/3rds of those cases are known because Spain have ramped up antibody testing. More testing will mean more cases. What we care about is number of people who require critical care and who die as a result. Their death rate is still falling.

Apart from bracing for huge tax hikes, prepare to work longer until you get your pension.
I imagine the retirement age will be extended in order to help cover this.