Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

MRex there is another thread operating at the moment about mental health in lockdown where at least 50% of posters are saying that they’re loving lockdown, loving being in the garden with their kids, loving not being at work etc. Obviously we don’t know if thats representative on the entire population.
Amongst my real life friends/family I’m finding that those furloghed or with SAHP’s are enjoying it more than those trying to work full time from home whilst also trying to care for and homeschool children. The ones enjoying it least are those working full time from home whilst caring for toddlers!

I’m in my very early 20s, virtually live alone - I live with friends who both went to their parents, so my boyfriend has temporarily moved in.

The last two months have been terrible. I miss work, my entire life has been placed on hold, holidays cancelled, social life taken away from me - For what? I don’t live with vulnerable people nor do I even see many people whilst out. I purposely exercise outdoors after 9pm once the sun has set and no one is out.

I’m a key worker that works from home but still have to occasionally drive to the office. I’m seeing more and more people out, road traffic has virtually gone back to normal inc rush hour traffic? Where are all these people going now? It’s annoying that I’m taking precautions to limit my own spread of this virus but others aren’t. My best friend is a nurse who now has covid, and I feel like she’s sacrificed herself for a bunch of idiots.

I just sort of feel that at this point, vulnerable people can continue to shield at home and the rest of us can move on. If you live with vulnerable people then you should continue to self isolate but realistically it’s not my personal problem and I don’t want to put my life on hold anymore. I’m also in such good health that I don’t have concerns about death if I catch it. If my death is imminent, this certainly isn’t how I want to spend my last days

I can only assume posters who do not want lockdown lifted have absolutely no concept of basic economics? Even if you have the ability to cope with lockdown indefinitely, surely everyone with with even the most basic education can see that the global economy is going to shit right now?

@Drivingdownthe101 I haven't read the thread to which you refer but my dh has a conversation with a high ranking police officer who was telling him that since lockdown, suicides in our area have gone up 300%.
Goodness knows what it's like in a national level.

Of course personal circumstances will drive your feelings about lockdown. If your not in a position of financial security it will make you make you want some kind of normality go back to work etc. Of course. Or maybe start to believe the conspiracy that we didn't need any lockdown ( Sweden approach)
If your a public sector worker , retired with a guaranteed income, independently wealthy etc you may be prepared to go on like this for longer. It's a general view but obvious that there will be two sides as to how we feel about it all.

I think we didn't lock down early enough or severely enough. As a result our numbers are still way too high and lockdown is being dragged out with no signs of improvement. So people get pissed off because they are suffering from restrictions but not seeing a positive result. They then give up and start seeing their friends etc.
I honestly think we need a reset to lockdown and do it properly - no going out at all except for food/emergencies and you have to fill out the online form like in other countries. If we did that for 3 weeks, hopefully our infections would drop and we would be able to relax restrictions.
I think the country could do this if at the same time we could see the govt sorting its shit out wrt testing and tracing. Also during this time Covid treatment should be moved out of our normal hospitals, so that people with other illnesses can start to use the NHS again. But that needs for the govt to test all staff, so that we don't have vulnerable people picking up Covid while in hospital.

For my family personally we are self isolating for the foreseeable. Even if they open schools again my kid will not be going. My focus now is keeping the younger one out of hospital and avoiding the virus because it could end her life. I guess I’m more thankful now than ever for being on benefits because we can easily make this choice.

I’m fully understanding though that society as a whole cannot go on like this for too much longer. But I really want to avoid the virus and until there is a vaccine which there might not even be, my kids will be kept in and safe. For us we are choosing survival over everything else.

Other countries have armed police don't they? We are policing by consent - so we can't physically control the population through fear etc as in other countries. We've already seen two examples of the restrictions not applying to travellers and career criminals (funerals) this week - how are people going to take the government saying we got it wrong we need to restrict you even more?

The police have a duty to force travellers etc to obey the rules. Perhaps if they did this instead of hassling people for buying Easter eggs, the public might have more respect for them.

I’m in the lockdown should be lifted camp. I think we need to be smarter about this.

It seems to be the privileged that want to keep it in place. People with comfortable lives, gardens and the ability to stay afloat financially throughout all this. A high earning partner who can WFH and a SAH partner who can homeschool seem to be common situations on here. For the not so lucky, this is hell.

I hate (and this is becoming so common) seeing impassioned privileged people on MN/social media launching into massive tirades about how heartless people are to ‘worry about the economy’ at the moment. As if the economy is just stocks and shares that only serves rich people. We are talking about people’s livelihoods, mental health, sanity. People were living on the brink of poverty before all this and lockdown is tipping them over the edge.

I also hate how lockdown seems to have brought out the worst in people, particularly on here. People seem to be going out of their way to cast judgement on people and their lives. I’ve been lucky enough to be able to WFH on normal pay throughout this and I’ve had snarky comments made about how easy I have it. Yes, I do and I recognise that. I could cope with lockdown for longer but I know so many that can’t it and makes me so sad to see them dismissed as heartless for wanting to go back to being able to provide for their families.

And people seem to forget that the government get all their money from people paying taxes. If we continue on with only half the workforce earning, that’s only half the tax to pay for the NHS, the furloughed, etc etc. It must not continue.

To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?

I won’t be delighted obviously. But I won’t be surprised or angry either. I think an extended lockdown will do more damage (including increased deaths) than the virus.

Well said @sunflowery

Thick and thin..quote

It would be much better for the elderly and vulnerable to stay at home with everyone else still working and paying taxes.

Jeez thick and thin..not quite elderly yet, but on my way And I don’t intend to lock myself away

Maybe you’d just rather send us all to the gas chamber And have done with us all

What a horrible person you must be..
Be careful what you wish for, you might be lucky enough to end up elderly one day

Agree sunflowery and we’ve had it quite easy here...time to start mixing again
Getting into sunshine, building our immune system..and so forth

We’ve had 67 deaths in a population of about 650,000 In my trust, over two large towns and a smaller one, villages etc in between
When I look in my local paper, I think I’ve seen one person in my town under 65.
Most of the deaths have between 75 and 100.
It doesn’t make sense to keep people out of work any longer

In an area from Berwick to York and over into cumbria, there’s been 1007 deaths.
Would love to know the figures for this time last year.

Brow- your attitude is rather selfish, there are many more terrible things in life than missing out on your social life. You need to grow up a bit
More and you will realise that. Just because you are young and healthy doesn't mean you should be allowed out and the vulnerable stay in. You could mix with any other healthy people who could pass it to a vulnerable person. That's the point.

Putting your life on hold for a few months, of which you have many, many more years left of is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. You will come out of this and live your life, others might not. Isn't a few months of a missed social life worth that? I think when you actually have some pain, or a vulnerable person in your life you will think differently.

Plus, although rare, healthy, young people are not immune to this. I think you need to get some perspective on life, which will probably only come with experiences.

Batshite- I disagree. I don't see how only the vulnerable self isolating would work. Many of those people need others to care for them, that's why they are vulnerable. If healthy people are all allowed out surely the risk of catching it will increase and so it will be passed to the vulnerable anyway, even if they are self isolating. Those in care homes or with disabilities at home or SEN centres still need contact with others. The rate of infection will rise again and lockdown was pointless.

The rate of infection will rise again and lockdown was pointless.

Nah even if the rate of infection does shoot up higher than we have seen so far, lockdown still was not pointless. The whole point of it was so the NHS was not overwhelmed. We seem to have done a pretty good job of that, given the popup hospitals and such seem empty and A+E queues seem shorter than before the virus...so lockdwn did exactly what it was supposed to.

Of course, whenever the rules are relaxed somewhat, the infection rates will rise again. But that was always going to happen really. So many I know seem to think that the reason we are locked down is so the virus disappears totally, because of course, thats likely..

sunflowery has summed it up perfectly.

@sunflowery

Well said. Schools should be opening and people getting back to work.

I have never understood the concept of the UK version of lockdown. Exercise and essential shopping, yet people cant go to work. Why lockdown the healthy?

Well we know why? It was for the NHS. The lockdown is to ease slowly. Retailers have been advised by their governing body on social distancing measures. There is slow movement occurring. Building sites are moving.

It will be very slow, on the build up to the review on 7th May.

In reality we have to adapt and live with this. We are now seeing from ONS data which is far better than the NHS that far more people are dying because of the Covid situation as opposed to dying from CV...and in the thousands as well. The impact will be felt for years with the cancer patients currently not being treated in some areas which is a complete scandal

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/two-new-waves-deaths-break-nhs-new-analysis-warns/

Dont know if this has been posted its hard to keep up on threads at moment as MN still really slow and misaligned for me.

But this is worth a look

@MarieG10 - I think you've misunderstood the ONS data. Much of that is more likely to be "missed" covid deaths.