Attitudes changing?

[CathyandHeathcliff]

Has anybody noticed attitudes changing over the past few days?

It seems to have gone from Facebook comments on articles calling for a stricter lockdown and so on, to calling for lockdown to be lifted sooner rather than later, comments about the economy failing and weighing up the balance.

Driving there

Suspect some are just desperate. It’s worth noting that it’s businesses who are suffering the increasing losses - if the government had said that the LANDLORDS of industries who are told to shut (shops, pubs, dentists, opticians etc etc) could not charge rent for this period (since the businesses cannot use the premises they are paying for), lots of small businesses would have a more holistic view. Not sure why landlords are being paid (either by the business if they can or via the loan scheme if anyone lucky enough to get). They have stopped them evicting them but the rent is still due. Def not all sharing the financial hit.

And whilst some landlords may take the longer term view of wanting to keep their tenant in business, plenty do not

@Romeojuliet That is precisely why the "all in this together" rhetoric is a load of bullshit!

@HelenaDove I try not to stereotype people but I’ve been working on a voluntary basis for a charity delivering emergency food parcels. There are two council estates noted for criminality and antisocial behaviour in this area and frankly, it’s been scary taking parcels to old and vulnerable people who have the misfortune to live in either of those estates. We have to work in pairs for our own safety.

The shops are all open on those estates. There are groups of women gathered outside the ‘offies’ smoking and gossiping and groups of youths riding around on their bikes. When we stop outside a house they ride around our vehicle laughing at us and we’ve even been spat at.

I’m ashamed to say but it does colour your view a wee bit. I’m not a middle class do gooder. I grew up on a council estate myself but seriously ,in the two places I’m talking about you wouldn’t know there is a lockdown at all. People are just carrying on in the same way they’ve always done.

I have found a big change this week.
More people I know have gone back to work, more cars on the road, friends starting to meet up outside etc I don't know if it's too soon. I'm no expert but as far as I'm aware so far it's made no difference to the amount of people testing positive. 100% agree vulnerable should stay in but for the healthy

Yep, as the government are keen to tell us that we will be living with this virus for the forseeable, I think people are no longer content to just ride it out and wait. There has to be more balance. People are starting to buckle under the strain

@Lincolnfield im pissed that you are going through that when you are helping vulnerable people Unfortunately a lot of the ones to suffer due to the residulisation of social housing are the other longer term tenants who have been there for years/decades.

@Pennepasta29 of course it is around long term but surely the point is managing the other get as much normality back as quick as possible? If people don’t follow the advice now then they may be another peak in a few weeks time and then what will happen? The lockdown will be extended or tightened for longer before we can start removing measures again, if people just wait and follow the advice could lead to the fastest route out of this?

There is no fast way out of this.

We're not in lockdown to speed up the date of this being over.

If that was true, people wouldn't be getting restless / complaining / wondering if their job losses are worth it.

Do you really think people would even consider lifting lockdown if it was a case of "strict lockdown for twelve weeks and this will all be over"

That was never the point of lockdown.

Lockdown was always supposed to delay it.

To give the NHS more time to prepare. To stop hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

Which doesn't really fit in with the current situation of the nightingales being empty.

@HelenaDove that’s what is so upsetting. Some of the lovely old folk we are serving can’t believe what’s happened to their estates. You’re right some have lived in their homes for sixty years and even before the lockdown they were frightened.

There is open drug taking everywhere. You can get high just on the smell of weed in the air.

We won’t stop delivering though because we know these people need us. I just wish it wasn’t so scary. ☹️

I must admit I'll be glad when lockdown is over but at the same time I don't want it ending too soon and certainly hoping schools won't be opening till September. I'm in the at risk group and shielding but if they have to go to school there would be no point in continuing to shield for the rest of the 12 weeks. I understand that people have had enough and the economic effect is worrying but lives are more important.

Tend to be anonymous or Katie Hopkins fan club.....other than that I think people still believe lives matter more.
In fact a lot of people I have talked to think it was far too late (3-4 wks) and could be a little stricter.

KH fan club are being more vocal...noticed they're attacking Dr's & Nurses for dancing in their break. (says it all)

@Lincolnfield Thank You for what you do

I think it’s the not knowing. We’ve been good citizens and stayed home and followed the rules in an overcrowded flat with no garden or balcony etc for our kids to get fresh air and no income waiting for universal credit and running up debts in the meantime. And the hardest thing is just not knowing how much longer it will be until I can just take my kids over to see other family members and play in their gardens and I really want to hug my mum. If I knew it would be 6 weeks or 10 weeks or 12 weeks etc then at least I could be counting down to that point and have something positive to push through this. Instead we have no idea. The kids have been crying multiple times a day because they are bored, miss their friends, miss nanny and grandad, miss their cousins or just plain don’t know why they are sad. My husband and I are stressed about money and our mental health and our kids mental health and we have no light at the end of the tunnel.

Certainly not attacking doctors and nurses for dancing on their breaks but I do question their levels of intelligence if they cannot see how insensitive that is.

It's not the doctors and nurses decision, of course, but people are being left without care in the name of covid and a buckling NHS...

And a buckling NHS is not the picture those clips paint at all.

It was a silly decision imo but we are all human.

Yep, as the government are keen to tell us that we will be living with this virus for the forseeable, I think people are no longer content to just ride it out and wait

This is it. And schools need to go back or many people who need to work won’t be able to.

Going to be an awful lot of redundancies if things go on like this for much longer. The furloughing is not enough to prevent it.

Germany is ahead of us with plans to open up more in the next two weeks. Let's say a British firm is prevented from operating for a month longer than a German firm that can supply the same product. The customer will place an order with the German company - and maybe won't come back.

Orders and sales go - jobs follow.

The UK Government needs to play catch up!!!!!

The UK Government needs to play catch up!!!!!

A lot of businesses that closed didn't need to as per the law. If the govt isn't stopping them from opening, then how is it the govt's fault?

If the Govt play hard ball and withdraw furlough, they'll get even more criticism.

There has to be enough customers, staff, suppliers, etc to make it viable for firms to re-open.

If the govt isn't stopping them from opening, then how is it the govt's fault?

I do agree with you but you need to remember schools are closed, and that can have an impact on employers and their ability to operate if they employ many people with young kids. However I don’t think it’s close your business level bad.

Too many companies shut when they should not have done.

@Lincolnfield..I'm afraid round here lockdown doesn't exist and it's a total opposite in terms of location and socioeconomic status.

Just been reading that McDonalds May be reopening next month. I imagine we’ll hear next week of many more employers reoopening.

@Lincolnfield sorry you are going through this -well done for persisting with deliveries.
It is the same or worse in France. My BIL is in the police and they have been told NOT to police lockdown measures in sensitive areas because of the risk of riots. Meanwhile in BIL and DSIS policing is Draconian with 135 euro fines for

shopping for something deemed ‘unn cessary’

DanceItOut that sounds so hard. I hope things ease up for you, you have done so well to hold it together.