I can’t see an end to this.. 😔

[Mummypig2020]

God I’m really struggling the past few days.

I just want to see some light at the end of the tunnel. It just feels like constant negative news and nothing about the near future.

It makes me so sad. How are other countries starting to go “back to normal”? But we aren’t?

has not had

But vulnerable people - at the moment - are not really free to live - but neither is any one else. That's the point.

We can protect them with our the majority being locked down.

So 50 healthy people working and boosting the economy and taking food at a distance to the elderly and venerable.

OR

Our current situation.

Robin so you don’t care that vulnerable people might also wish to be free to live normally?

Robin233 - they can choose to protect themselves by staying at home - or not to protect themselves if they want to live freely (some will choose that option in full knowledge of the possible consequences)

It does not - as far as I can see - require everyone else to stay home to safeguard them? It might be lovely for them to feel that we are all in it together, but its not so lovely for the rest of us. I will be honest - as a mother of two late teens I am more concerned about the hundreds of thousands of young people who are suffering right now and who are being damaged psychologically and materially (and who are under virtually zero thread from the virus).

The vulnerable will remain safe if they stay at home and scrupulously social distance, taking all precautions, even if the rest of us are at large and leading a more normal life. Its shit for them - it has been pointed out on here that some of them are people who normally lead full and active lives. But I don't see what is to be gained by making a greater number of people struggle unnecessarily

I should have said older teens not late teens (unfortunate connotations)

Doh! - just reread and realised that we are on the same page Robin233

I put it down to not sleeping much lately!

Signed the petition

Countries going back to normal are doing so too soon.

This in an interesting targeted approach (try not to think about the fact that it is from Florida)

@lallac tree
Cause I care about vulnerable
People wanted to live their lives - but , as I said before that's not Possible at the moment.
My close friend is one and my 2 wonderful neighbors.

But don't see why other people still need ti be on lock down

Robin you care enough to make them be on lockdown?

That makes no sense. Why is a vulnerable person not free to live as you wish others to?

@LimitIsUp
Totally on the same page :)

That makes no sense. Why is a vulnerable person not free to live as you wish others to?

Ehhhh because they are vulnerable to a virus that has a small chance of killing them

I don't understand how that doesn't make sense.

Snyde but why should a vulnerable person be denied freedom? If they know the risk and want to take it?

Especially elderly and EOL. would you want to be in lockdown for the last few months of your life? Terminal cancer and not allowed to hug your kids?

Vulnerable who want to return to work - you want to stop them?

@LilacTree1 no I actually think people should be given the choice, tbh. And every available help (both physically and financially) to isolate if that's what they want.

Snyde ah, so you don’t mean what you said initially.

It’s getting alarming how many people think certain groups should be allowed freedom while others aren’t.

Phil

I can understand that it's easier for you to imagine your family suffering the effects of economic hardship than it is to imagine the scale of their friends if they lost you. It's easier to imagine a recession than a pandemic that kills hundreds of thousands because we haven't had one in living memory and we're not familiar with the all the ramifications, economic and otherwise.

You may but care about anyone other than you and your family but an unchecked second wave would affect you in ways you clearly don't want to think about. The virus is sufficiently dangerous that many families would lose wage earners as well as grandparents they rely on for childcare, not to mention many hundreds of doctors who keep all of us well enough to go to work at some time or other.

There are plenty of reasons to avoid a second wave if you only care about you.

And while I understand the difficulties of the situation from every angle and can see there are no easy answers-yes, I do find you unbelievably callous to our health care workers. I just hope you are not going to be so hypocritical as to roll up expecting them to care for you if you become ill with covid, as you are clearly happy to put them in a situation that is killing and traumatising them in droves. It's only ok to not give a shit about anyone else if you're not expecting anything in return.

grief

@LimitIsUp I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said and done. Have also signed the petition. Would it be worth starting a thread specifically to draw attention to the petition? I would gladly do it myself, but don't want to steal your thunder...

@PhilCornwall1 Your posts are excellent. I wish my XH had looked after his family in the way you do yours.

Phil can I ask are you able to wfh? I’m guessing not?

I think the pressures increase if you can’t, which is understandable.

@Cantata Thank you for that. There are one or two that wouldn't agree with you on this thread, but not everyone agrees and I guess that's what promotes healthy debate.

My family are everything to me and regardless of this risks to me. I'll do all I can for them.

The I hope you don't want to use the NHS if you...bla bla bla is getting boring.