I can’t see an end to this.. 😔

[Mummypig2020]

God I’m really struggling the past few days.

I just want to see some light at the end of the tunnel. It just feels like constant negative news and nothing about the near future.

It makes me so sad. How are other countries starting to go “back to normal”? But we aren’t?

@MarshaBradyo I am at the moment, because the project I am working on is on hold, that can only last for so long before it will be terminated, which puts me in a bad position. As I'm providing consultancy, I need to be on site with the client.

They have expressed that if this carries on for a long period, the contract for the project will be terminated.

@lilac tree
That makes no sense. Why is a vulnerable person not free to live as you wish others to?

Only to keep them healthy

What don't you understand ?

At the moment we are all on lock down to stay healthy / keep pressure off the nhs.

Phil thanks for answering. Yes I can see why you feel as you do.

I’m aware that having a wfh situation here takes some heat out of the situation.

As in non-contract wfh

I think individual situations and reactions are mostly understandable actually when you know more.

Wow

So many thinking they know better than top medical and scientific advisers.

Beggars belief.

Thank fuck Jezza and Diane aren't at the helm 😂😂😂

Thank fuck Jezza and Diane aren't at the helm 😂😂😂

Chaos with Ed Miliband never looked so inviting.

Feel free to start that thread Cantata, I am giving myself the evening off from worrying about covid, lockdown and the endless ramifications

Of course vulnerable people should be paid to stay at home - there are teachers in Dh's school that aren't going to be able to return to work

I hope very much they get full pay and stay at home

I did start a thread, @LimitIsUp I made no value judgements - just linked to the petition. I just looked now to see if there were any responses, and this was what I found:

Message from MNHQ: We don't really think this will go well so we're removing this thread.

I am not very pleased about this.

@Cantata I just saw that.

Kinda shocking tbh (that they'd just delete it).

Robin why are you happy to remove their right to make a decision? I genuinely don’t understand this. They might WANT to go out and risk getting Covid 19. I certainly know people in this position.

Can someone please help me articulate this better because I must be doing a shit job of it.

@SnydeValley I am a bit baffled by it, really. It's fine if people don't want to sign it. I wasn't strong-arming anyone into doing so. I was merely alerting people to its existence (which, of course, is a tacit way of saying I agree with it - but I see no reason why I shouldn't?)

I have emailed MNHQ to ask for clarification, as I genuinely don't see why it can't stand. I wasn't going to read the replies, particularly. As I say, I was just wanting people to know the petition was there.

If I'd said "anyone who doesn't sign it is a twat", that might have been a different matter!

I think all petitions need to be on the dedicated board for them? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Of course, that wouldn't explain the deletion message you got.

The thing is other people taking risks are taking them on behalf of everybody. Because if W they get the virus, they tend to pass it on to others

I am really uncomfortable with the vulnerable being forced to be locked away for the foreseeable.

Has connotations back to the days where disabled people were hidden away and not allowed out with the rest of society.

Being vulnerable doesn't mean you don't have capacity to make decisions for yourself.

The post lockdown landscape of Wuhan looks pretty grim.

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-04-23/wuhan-s-return-to-life-temperature-checks-and-constant-anxiety

Then thank god we don’t live in Wuhan

But ....shit..(sorry, that’s your username)....do we say they can make their own judgement but not expect treatment?

Or do we let them judge for themselves, take a chance, contract the virus, then overwhelm the NHS?

@Daffodil101 are they the only choices?

Or could we take lock down as an opportunity to stock up. Nightingales are empty. Lots of hospitals are quiet.

The government could have taken this period to actually prepare properly.

People are dying right now because their treatments have been stopped.

Right now, to protect the NHS people are dying. The figure for people dying of non covid elated illnesses is going up.

Very few people seem to have an issue with people being left to die, right now, without medical care. What's the difference between those people and some , hypothetical, people being left to die through covid?

At what point do we remove peoples human rights? which we would be doing if vulnerable people were banned leaving their homes And at what point do we decide that actually, people are entitled to NHS medical care whether its covid related or not.

There's no easy answer. We aren't getting out of this easily.

Going down the route of banning the vulnerable from normal life, is not a route I am happy going down.

That's pretty shocking Cantata

@lilac tree
Sorry I don't like anyone being made to stay in.

But what I mean is 'if ' it has to be done then why make everyone do it ?

Of course if vulnerable people wanted to go out and risk getting ill and dying I think they
SHOULD be allowed.

At the moment you've got restrictions for everyone regardless

Maybe I'm not explaining very well. Sorry

There are restrictions in any country to prevent large scale loss of life. Otherwise we would be anarchists. It's a democracy. We voted for these people and didn't bother to check out their pandemic plans first. They can now protect the country however they see fit. It's not a human rights issue if it's protecting our right to life.

What about the right to life of the people shits mentioned?

Their right to life is being threatened right now,they are dying right now. Actual victims not potential ones. Are they acceptable as collateral damage?

I guess their right to life is linked to their choice.

My husband works as a doctor in intensive care. Before the peak of the pandemic, he had to tell his mum to stay home. She has a heart condition and she was ignoring advice. She obviously knows his job.

Ultimately, he told her that she might not be deemed suitable for ventilation if she contracted Covid. It looked as though the NHS would be overwhelmed.

She felt that the ability to nip to the co-op was a fair trade off. Her choice. Her right to choose.

We could be better prepared now, we have nightingale hospitals to fall back on, but I’m yet to see a convincing explanation of how these could be staffed in the medium term.