People having family and friends visit

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Why do some people think that it's ok to have friends and family over? That they are special and the rules do not apply to them. So infuriating and an insult to those of us who are missing seeing our loved ones.

@firstmentat have you not had any fresh food for at least 4 weeks?

@firstmentat

There is nothing wrong with that. Do what you need to to get through this.

Ignore all the frothers, they just like to feel superior and boss people around.

I’m currently 37 weeks pregnant and have my parents visit for help. I have pelvic problems which have worsened and I am unable to walk some days. I have a 5 year old at home and my husband is an NHS key worker who is out all day. Without their support and visiting I would be unable to cope. I absolutely appreciate it isn’t ideal and In different circumstances would adhere to every “rule”. However, there needs to be some allowances in regards to support whether in the physical sense or for those struggling with mental health issues. I hope with the upcoming review of lockdown there are perhaps allowances for small, maybe less than 5, gatherings that can take place to save those in need of support feeling extremely guilty.

@ineedaholidaynow
Define fresh food? I cook daily, three times, and I have a 9 cubic ft freezer full of fruit, meat and veg.
Of course, at some point it will run off, but until it does, I am simply not going out.

People saying everyone should blindly stick to the exact same rules don't seem to understand that that's actually asking different things of people, and not related to risk either. Lockdown to one person means being at home with your family, to another it means total isolation. How is that fair? Risk-wise, someone living in a large family is also potentially going to spread the virus from a shop to several people (household members), whereas two people living alone who meet up are only risking one extra person.

They STILL haven’t stopped flights

Sigh. 95% of flights have been grounded and those coming in are bringing people home, also being used for freight and we are also bringing in agricultural workers.

People observing social distancing in their gardens are not spreading the virus and this is allowed in other countries anyway. Yes it's against the rules here but it's not spreading the virus.

I get very angry about people having bonfires in their gardens, but a lot less angry about someone driving a bit further than they should for their daily exercise. The former affects me, the latter does not.

Lockdown to one person means being at home with your family, to another it means total isolation yes but who judges which is worse.
I would think a single parent in a flat, no garden with children with additional needs would need a break from the lockdown more than a single 30yr old in a flat with a garden.
It’s not up to individuals to decide if they are exempt from the rules!

Many people are still going out to work some still on public transport. Many children are still in nursery and school yes because they HAVE to!!!
It is up to the majority that don’t have to to put their WANTS to the side for the greater good.

It’s not up to individuals to decide if they are exempt from the rules!

This is what annoys me the most! I have a speical needs child being is lock down is awful with no rest bite but im not going to just meet up with people because i care about the spead of the virus and im not a selfish idiot

We went to visit my husband's elderly parents last week. We sat in the garden 2 metres away. The lady next door was giving us 'looks' over the fence but my husband wanted to check on them as they're both very vulnerable and will accept no outside help

I am getting fed up of sticking to the "rules" yet people around me aren't. Three of my neighbours across the road work for the NHS in various capacities, all of them are still having family and friends over to visit.

I am not reporting anyone as what's the point, they have clearly made the choice to carry on - and to be honest, I am getting to the point where I am thinking fuck it, I am going to do the same.

OnlyFoolsAndMothers

I wish they would take you and isolate you away from your children and everyone else you love, then you might understand why seeing others is a NEED not a WANT. Just because you're not in the hell of isolation and were lucky enough to have a family, you dont give a fuck about others. It is not fair that some people - who already have better lives and don't live with the daily grief of childlessness - get to be with others and some don't.

People still getting confused between 'rules' and 'guidelines' apparently.

It’s not up to individuals to decide if they are exempt from the rules!
Tell Boris Johnson who left hospital, went back to Downing St and then decamped to his country residence.
Tell Carrie Symonds who left her London flat to travel to be with her fiance at his country residence.
Tell Robert Jenrick who travelled to his country home from London, I'm sure Hereford was delighted, and then travelled 40 miles to visit his parents.

People r not wishing death on people, they r saying why should certain people get treatment when they r not following rules to protect the nhs So how would the doctors know?

One in five people are key workers, they are out at work throughout this. They have no choice in this. How can anyone have them believe it is safe to work with people, but not see people outside work. Isolate the vulnerable by all means.

FoolsLemonTree you have no clue about my home life and set up! You have no clue about how hard I’m finding it. It’s a blanket rule for everyone because to dissect and analyse 60million + people’s individual circumstances isn’t possible.

One in five people are key workers, they are out at work throughout this. They have no choice in this. How can anyone have them believe it is safe to work with people, but not see people outside work.

Even more reason not to visit anyone outside the household, a key worker still going out to work is a much higher risk for spreading the virus. The spread from a single person is exponential, one visit could infect thousands very quickly if everyone thinks like that.

And it's not just vulnerable dying.

whereas two people living alone who meet up are only risking one extra person

Nope. Those two are risking everyone else they contact and everyone else they contact. Look up his infection works, it's exponential. In a very, very short time thousands are potentially exposed.

So one of those people is infected, they infect the person they meet. Both then are potentially infecting everyone else they come into contact with- people in shops, deliveries, shared spaces- who then pass it along to everyone they come into contact with and so on.

This is why we are in the situation we are in now, to reduce this and if everyone decides they are more important than everyone else desperately trying to get through this and does whatever they want it's going to result in another wave and another, harsher lockdown.

It’s a blanket rule for everyone because to dissect and analyse 60million + people’s individual circumstances isn’t possible.

Exactly, so some people are weighting up their own risks and making decisions to sometimes go slightly against the guidelines. Because they understand that the guidliness are a blanket rule and don't have to be religiously adhered to for everyone.

@majesticallyawkward

And there we have it. Risk your life every day but don't you fucking dare have an essential human need for human contact from loved ones during a time of unimaginable stress.

Yep go to work and be exposed to COVID multiple times, maybe get there on public transport with all those exposure risks, work a long shift with death all around, tell multiple people their loved one is dying and no, they can't be with them and then go straight home (no non-essential wine buying!) to an empty house with no-one to support you, give you a hug or talk to about how fucking traumatic today was.

Then do it again tomorrow. And the next day. We don't know for how long, could be months but keep doing it.

No-one gives a shit if having a visit from a friend or your Mum might mean you can keep going and don't just give up and go off work sick or just leave the profession entirely.

You're just a selfish cunt 🙄

Exactly, so some people are weighting up their own risks and making decisions to sometimes go slightly against the guidelines that is not your right! You really aren’t getting this are you, we don’t have confirmation of how far this virus jumps, we have no idea if you can catch it twice, we don’t know why it affects greater numbers of BAMEs- the idea that you know better, that your wants are greater than others is farcical. I’d have more respect if you spoke the truth “I’m selfish, I want to do what I want and the worse case I catch or spread the virus I’m sure the nhs will help me”

the worse case I catch or spread the virus I’m sure the nhs will help me

You realise that most people won't need any help from the NHS. We're on lockdown to slow the spread not stop it. We're all going to get it eventually. It's a mild illness. It doesn't really matter if I get it now or in three weeks. I live in an area with low infection rates.

I assume @Naturalbornkiller is an epidemiologist

Exactly, so some people are weighting up their own risks and making decisions to sometimes go slightly against the guidelinesthat is not your right! You really aren’t getting this are you, we don’t have confirmation of how far this virus jumps, we have no idea if you can catch it twice, we don’t know why it affects greater numbers of BAMEs- the idea that you know better, that your wants are greater than others is farcical. I’d have more respect if you spoke the truth “I’m selfish, I want to do what I want and the worse case I catch or spread the virus I’m sure the nhs will help me”

Tis 100%