People having family and friends visit

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Why do some people think that it's ok to have friends and family over? That they are special and the rules do not apply to them. So infuriating and an insult to those of us who are missing seeing our loved ones.

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You realise that most people won't need any help from the NHS yes but firstly you don’t know if you are that person, plenty of people without underlying conditions have had to go into icu. Secondly if everyone carried on as normal the numbers would rise enough that the nhs wouldn’t be able to cope. Then forget the idea that you catch Covid, imagine you are in a car crash and need an icu bed but they are full because of Covid patients.
I really suggest you watch a slither of the news, governments aren’t killing their economies for the mere sniffles!

It's the epitome of an "I'm alright Jack" type mentality.

Secondly if everyone carried on as normal the numbers would rise enough that the nhs wouldn’t be able to cope.

But we're not talking about people carrying on as normal. We are talking about people that are mostly adhering to the lockdown but are at times choosing to mix with select friends or family members.

This is a thread about people having F&f visit. Not people having mass social gatherings or carrying on as normal as you put it.

I'm not carrying on as normal, far from it. But I'm not adhering to the guidance 100% all of the time. At the end of the day there will be no prize for who stayed at home the most.

Oh and I don't watch mainstream media because its all sensationalist, bias, fear mongering noncense, pushing an agenda. Maybe if you lot watched a bit less mainstream news you would be a bit more chilled out and not so worried we're all gonna die because I still visit my parents.

This is a thread about people having F&f visit yes and if everyone did it then the numbers would go
Up.
Tbh I hadn’t realised you were so ignorant and oblivious to the facts, arguing with someone who isn’t even remotely informed is a waste of my time.
For you information I’m not panicking, I want this over ASAP not only for everyone missing their families (me included) but got every poor sod whose lost a business and income. Thanks to people like you this will only drag on longer!

Oh and I don't watch mainstream media because its all sensationalist, bias, fear mongering noncense, pushing an agenda

Oh you're just so much cleverer than everyone else aren't you? And it's nonsense not noncense.

I never normally comment on spelling and grammar as I think it's nasty, but if you're going to continually post rubbish thinking you're cleverer than everyone else, then I will.

DH wanted to arrange to have a friend over, luckily the friend is a carer for his adult daughter and can't come. DH didn't actually understand the risk.

We have a couple of very close friends (virtually family) who both live alone and who have been struggling massively in lockdown. One of them lives close by and will about once a week come and stand at the end of our front path and have a 10 minute chat.

The other we've driven to a few times just to drop some home-baked goods at his door and wave at him through his window - he's recently widowed and stuck in the middle of nowhere with memories of his wife all around him. I am seriously worried about his mental health and if showing him that he's got people thinking of him means getting a fine or some judgement from strangers then so be it.

I never normally comment on spelling and grammar as I think it's nasty, but if you're going to continually post rubbish thinking you're cleverer than everyone else, then I will.

I don't think I'm more intelligent then everyone else. I think people have just got themselves whipped up into a frenzy over this whole thing. Getting their knickers in a twist at things that aren't a big deal. Acting like covid will kill us all when in reality it's a mild illness, 80% of people if not more will not need medical treatment.

Being calm about this, not joining in with the mass frothing and hysteria (and typing on a online forum using predictive text and no spell checker) does not make me stupid. People have different attitudes to situations-something I know mn is strongly against. Calling someone you don't know stupid is very small minded and petty just because they have a different outlook to you and made a spelling mistake.

Yeah I might be an "I'm alright Jack". I wouldn't worry yourself about it. When it comes down to it most people are; and the main reason the majority are staying in is fear, a fear I simply don't have.

Exactly, so some people are weighting up their own risks and making decisions to sometimes go slightly against the guidelinesthat is not your right! You really aren’t getting this are you, we don’t have confirmation of how far this virus jumps, we have no idea if you can catch it twice, we don’t know why it affects greater numbers of BAMEs- the idea that you know better, that your wants are greater than others is farcical. I’d have more respect if you spoke the truth “I’m selfish, I want to do what I want and the worse case I catch or spread the virus I’m sure the nhs will help me”

This works both ways. There's no evidence whatsoever that this virus 'jumps' at all. That's made up.

So you concluding that someone having a friend come over to sit in their garden 2m away from each other or even having a friend visit who sits less than 2m away is going to 'spread the virus' and kill people?

What's your evidence? Other than your own histrionics and lack of understanding?

And what do you think will happen in a few weeks when restrictions are lifted? Do you think CV will have gone away? Clue - it won't have.

When it comes down to it most people are; and the main reason the majority are staying in is fear no actually it’s because they are decent people who are doing what has been asked of them for the greater good.

User2764689 take it your another one who follows Instagram news. Everyone is aware CV
Isn’t going to stop, we are trying to curb the numbers. Scientists are still trying to fully understand the spread so how Joe Bloggs up the road knows better is beyond me

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no actually it’s because they are decent people who are doing what has been asked of them for the greater good.

Really because all the lockdown nazis also talk about the virus like it's some sort of death fog that you and 20 other people will get, while simultaneously murdering an nhs worker if you leave your house.

It’s a virus that without curbing will overwhelm our nhs, our nhs that we use not only for Covid19 but a whole manner of other reasons.
No government is choosing to lock down their country, borrow billions to sustain a stalled economy for the hell of it!

I havent been wipped up into a frenzy, i have asthma and there is a chance that i catch it i will be in hospital, i want the people who i have to come into contact with food delivery driver, getting my Prescription etc that they havent 'bent the rules to suit themselves' so they maybe unaware they have it and pass it toe even thou i am being very careful , its the people through no fault of their own that needs protecting

no actually it’s because they are decent people who are doing what has been asked of them for the greater good.

Really because all the lockdown nazis also talk about the virus like it's some sort of death fog that you and 20 other people will get, while simultaneously murdering an nhs worker if you leave your house.

Come on, that's a ridiculous exaggeration of what people are saying. The point is that the NHS won't cope with all the people needing hospital care without a lockdown. You must have heard the news about PPE running out? Or do you think that's scaremongering too? Oh I forgot, you don't watch the news so maybe you don't even know that?

It's not about fear for a lot of us. We have family members with underlying health issues or who are elderly; my DH has asthma and my DM is 80 now and my MIL is 79.

I've been going to see my Father once, sometimes twice a week. He lives alone, he's seventy three and he's on crutches awaiting a hip replacement that has been cancelled

This is within guidelines and even if it wasn't I would still go to see him

I think sitting in your garden talking to your elderly mum sat 2m away when both of you are living alone sounds ok. It’s possible to avoid contact.
But lots of posters saying they think others are over reacting based on no evidence. Which is ironic as they themselves have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to disregard the guidelines. It’s the same bullshit ‘I know best so I’m going to do whatever I want’.
DH working on the vaccine at present and I can ASSURE YOU, this is NOT a mild virus like any other. It is NOT like the flu. Yes, the immune vulnerable are most likely to die from it, but scientists are trying desperately to understand why healthy, younger patients are also dying. Two such parents died at my school last week. The virus is highly contagious and can cause total organ failure within 2-3 hours. Every person who passes on the germs to one other person is contributing to the infection rate and adding more pressure to the NHS. Every person who goes bike riding 20km from home and sits on a bench in the new place is moving germs from place to place and meaning infection centres spread. Every person who goes out several times a day is making our open spaces more busy when we do go out.

Health workers are being treated for PTSD and are overwhelmed by the number of patients, the over 70s being left to die, cancer patients untreated. Fact. We have to do our bit to totally stop the virus spread and infection rates have been far lower in countries where the public follow law diligently. Scientists haven’t made up the guidelines just to piss us off.

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Nope. Healthcare. Please explain why someone sitting in their garden or otherwise 'meeting' friends 2 ms apart or even less is leading to widespread deaths.

@LudaMusser I think cases like yours are different. Obviously caring for sick relatives is legitimate and would be the right thing to do even if it wasn't in the guidelines. You're not saying that you don't care about the rules as you don't want to be told what to do.

My MIL has had 2 hip replacements and a knee replacement and all 3 ops were a great success. I also have a friend who is waiting for a knee replacement. I hope the wait isn't too long for your dad, it can't be easy for him right now.

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Because:
There is no definitive distance that we know is safe
people have to travel to see family, increasing the chances of road accidents, as well as stopping at petrol stations
We aren’t certain how the virus spreads fully eg does it live on surfaces, if so how long for?

And if you need really basic terms

If person A hasn’t seen anyone they think it’s ok to see person B. Person B hasn’t seen anyone except when they went to get food and encountered person C and person D. Person C and D live in a house with person E, person E is a key worker in a care home where 8 patients have died of corona.

I'm still seeing my MIL with my husband and toddler who otherwise would see no one else. By seeing one another (we're a two minute walk away), we're actually minimising outside contact as she we share resources which means food lasts longer. She has a huge garage with two fridges and freezers so we can hold out and not go to the shops. I see it as though we live in two separate houses, we are one household. There are rules and then there is what is actually safer sometimes. People weigh up the risks. I'm due to give birth next week and want to risk all contact with the outside world, not my MIL who isn't seeing anyone else. And sorry what's the issue everyone has with propels having a beer/bbq? It's a pointless comment to make people look more reckless when it doesn't actually mean anything.

NHS won't cope with all the people needing hospital care without a lockdown.

Im not saying there shouldn't be a lockdown. I never said that. I'm saying it's not an issue for people to weight up their own personal risks and then decide if they want to act slightly outside the guidelines.

Alot of us don't have anyone in our house going out to work or anyone in an at risk group in our house. So visiting a lonely family member or family member with a big garden for the kids to play in - who is also not going out to work or in an at risk group - is not that bigger deal.

I don't agree that people should be travelling to holiday homes or having parties. But this thread is about visiting family, which for many is not posing that much of an increased risk. Especially not when you're just sat in the garden. No where near as much as going to work on the tube.

Im not saying there shouldn't be a lockdown

Oh so it’s just not a Lock down for YOU, because you weighed up the risk against your wants! Guess what came out as being more important