People having family and friends visit

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Why do some people think that it's ok to have friends and family over? That they are special and the rules do not apply to them. So infuriating and an insult to those of us who are missing seeing our loved ones.

My tit of a neighbour who thinks she’s better than anybody else, and who constantly grasses up her neighbours to the authorities for trivial matters has been having gatherings frequently during the lockdown 🙈 such a selfish twat!

I do agree with pulp fiction if you are in a low risk area. They should have staged the lockdown starting with affected cities. But no we all had to follow exactly what London had to do as the world revolves around them. What’s the point of locking down areas that don’t have it yet. When it eventually gets to them they will have to lock down allover again.

I second that. Do you think London would go into lock down if an illness was effecting primarily Devon.

Of course I think there should be a lockdown, what I'm pointing out is the risks will still be the same afterwards. Which is why some are choosing to take those risks now.

Do you think London would go into lock down if an illness was effecting primarily Devon

It's affecting actually.

So the risk of seeing family today is the same as it was 4 weeks ago and the same as it will be in another 4 weeks!

That's not strictly correct, the levels of infection are relevant here. When the levels are lower- which is the aim of lockdown- there risks of visiting will be lower... maybe not much but it's not like there is just a flat level of risk.

Then there are people like me who will likely still be separated because my mum is working in a supermarket helping supply everyone and my brother is in a prison everyday at huge risk of covid and physical injury, both meaning their risk will remain heightened so to see people visiting, risking further spread is infuriating. Any one could pass it along then go and infect someone like my mum, or a prison guard who then takes it to their families and workplace.

It's a short time we're being asked to sacrifice.

olivehater no they won’t but the numbers are greater than 20 a year.
Jesus with all this time on our hands can’t you watch the news.
If you let the numbers spiral the nhs will be overwhelmed, and thus be unable to save not the only the corona virus patients but anyone else in need of medical care.
Jesus they need to write a Janet and John book on this virus for some don’t they!

My dad’s neighbours are probably judging me as I’m still going in his house. Outwardly, he looks fine, still drives etc, but, due to COPD, osteoarthritis and, currently, a frozen shoulder, he can’t manage to get up the step into his kitchen with shopping bags in his hands and can’t bend to lift anything. I’m taking him shopping/dinners and going in to put it all away for him. I also give the hoover and mop a quick whip round (I say quick but I’m physically disabled myself, so it’s not exactly a quick process!) and have cleaned his loo and changed the bed (I really, really struggle with this myself and we both normally have a lady come in to do the beds, but she isn’t coming at the minute so I’m having to manage. Takes me bloody ages though!). His neighbours probably think we’re having a good old socialise, as I’m in there up to an hour, but we don’t come into any kind of contact and are rarely in the same room.

what I'm pointing out is the risks will still be the same afterwards well no they won’t be if the numbers of those infected has gone down.
If everyone takes “the risk” now what do you think will happen?

We walked an hour to see my parents - spent 15 mins in their back garden at least 2m apart, left them some chocolate cake and then went home again. Did us all the world of good and I consider a very low risk given that neither they nor us have seen anyone for the past 4 weeks and only been out for exercise (not even supermarkets). I’m risk averse but felt comfortable taking that risk.

How many people bothered to get their kids the meningitis b vaccine before it went into the National programme? Not very many despite it being extremely dangerous. I had plenty of friends that could have easily afforded it but didn’t bother.

Tbf the risk of meningitis B is quite small & babies are the most at risk. Some people couldn't afford £100-150 & I know we tried for 6 months before we could get an appointment for our 4yr old.

@olivehater

It's not that many young people will die from the virus, but a fair number will (more than 20 anyway), or will need hospital treatment, thus putting pressure on the NHS.

But a bigger problem is that they can pass it on to older or vulnerable family members, of members of the public they run into when out shopping. I mentioned that I caught the virus (not tested but likely to be that) from my DD2 (8). She was only ill for 4 days; it was nasty but it wasn't a major issue. But she passed it to me and I'm still unwell 6 weeks on. I won't be dying but it's still been very unpleasant. And my DH has asthma so it could potentially have been worse for him (he has the flu jab but there's no jab for COVID-19 yet), and for my 80 year old DM if she'd been visiting us, which she isn't.

to all of you “happy to take the risk” and certain “you are fine to take such risks”, if the government said it’s fine for you to see your families but only you if you sign an agreement that states the nhs don’t provide you treatment or care for Covid would you still do it?

@Guardup hope you see your dad

These are the exceptions

But in Italy and Spain when they locked down one area, people moved as quickly as they could to another area, to avoid lockdown but unfortunately spread the virus.

In my mind, its probably safer for me to see my parents soon when neither of us have set in a shop or any where else inside, only leaving for a walk outside for the last 4 or 5 weeks. If lockdown eases and I have to go back to work and commute, I won't feel safe visiting her then.

I went and put flowers and chocolates on my nans doorstep, her husband of 60 years who she loved very much passed away the previous day
Kept my distance

@formerbabe

Perthetic.

Our father in law is one of the 1.5million tht receive a care package and is extremely high risk, we saw him today..... our household have been in isolation for 4 weeks haven’t even been to a shop (deliveries) we are all aware that is unlikely a vaccine will be around this year so his life is isolated until their is and mentally he is not coping knowing tht he will be in his home and garden for at least a year and his life has stopped, once lockdown is lifted and my children are back at school it will be waving through windows as it is high chance children will pick it up and give him it, this is really the only time he can see us while we are all isolated. Today we sat in the garden and his face was like Christmas Day seeing the grandchildren. IF lockdown is lifted in 6 weeks time and everyone can see their family and friends, apart from all the high risk, vulnerable and elderly who’s lives have stopped! I personally couldn’t even imagine knowing tht I have to stay at home and have this same life everyday for at least a year 💔

Don’t be so patronising only fools.
I am aware. I was pointing out that the news are scaremongering that lots of young are dying when statistically they are not.
And also as others have pointed out when we come out of lockdown the virus will still be there working through the population that haven’t had it yet so locking down areas that barely have it right now is a bad idea. When it does get to these area the population will be even less likely to be compliant In a second which will cause the nhs hospitals in their area to be over run. But no we have to be united with London don’t we?

The policy was predicated on 75% obedience. The mass movement of people has stopped by and large, big crowds have stopped, churches etc. So...popping round to see your mum and sit in the garden at a distance is a calculated risk.

I've found social media particularly hysterical and terrifying in equal measure.

People who don't know the difference between your and you're are suddenly experts in epidemiology...

Because people are questioning why they are allowed in supermarkets, or on walks with close proximity to strangers but aren't allowed to see their family. I dropped out supplies to my parents today ( not elderly but one has diabetes and no spleen) I sat in their garden to speak to them. They are so upset with not seeing their children or grandchildren and we were sat apart. Maybe think about people's mental health before you sort them.

olivehater well the Midlands only has 1000 fewer deaths than London, so it’s not a London issue. Also as many threads have noted, for example, Cornwall has 1 hospital, so I would think they would be better to isolate than London when the issue becomes resources.

@formerbabe Best post I've read on here!
It appears the lesser the educated, the more they "don't agree with lock down" @Pulpfiction1 should sign a waiver, her or her family can no longer use any NHS service. Perhaps her and all the "flouters" outside but offering no immediate support or help to another, should be dropped on a radioactive field, surrounded by a crocodile filled moat !

For everyone deciding that you and your friends and family have decided you are willing to risk it - is everyone you see when you are out exercising/anyone you see whilst out shopping/any delivery driver that comes to your house/any medical professional that you see in the event you need medical assistance happy to take on the additional risk to theirs and their families health due to your actions? This isn’t aimed at some of the circumstances some people have mentioned on here but those of you who just fancy a BBQ or have decided that FaceTime doesn’t quite cut it for a few weeks, you are killing other people’s families.