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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

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TheStarryNight · 18/04/2020 13:57

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MarshaBradyo · 27/04/2020 16:15

‘No evidence that those who have survived coronavirus are immune to it, WHO warns‘

MarshaBradyo · 27/04/2020 16:17

‘It said there was "no evidence" that people who had developed antibodies after recovering from the virus were protected against a second infection’

The no evidence is the line isn’t it? Not ‘there is evidence’

pocketem · 27/04/2020 16:27

Exactly. The WHO statement has been widely reported. There is no evidence that people who have had the illness are immune because it hasn't been around long enough for us to have had a second wave for people to be exposed to.

There is no evidence that people aren't immune either. It's just too soon

woodencoffeetable · 27/04/2020 16:42

public holiday today here.
lockdown & social distancing seem to be suspended for today Hmm

MarshaBradyo · 27/04/2020 16:44

Yes agree, typing quickly, it was more a questioning more that the media has changed it to ‘evidence that’, of those three links below all say, some loudly, that there’s ‘no evidence’

‘Antibody testing rolls out across America as WHO warns there is 'NO EVIDENCE' that people who recover from coronavirus have immunity’

I have no doubt the media ham things up but wanted to see if they had changed this statement

ToffeeYoghurt · 27/04/2020 17:11

@Focusanddetermination Well we have been extremely successful at dying in large numbers. We're close to topping the table... Perhaps that's what Boris meant.

I've been catching up on the thread.
I'm so sorry @EmeraldShamrock. So very sorry.Flowers

Wuhan has no new cases I think? Also no or very few further deaths in China. Is it just a conspiracy theory? I read they might have a treatment or vaccine not yet shared with the rest of the world? Plausible seeing as there may be limited stock. Or is it simply the result of their strict lockdown, quarantine, and now contact tracing? I suspect the latter.

Quartz2208 · 27/04/2020 17:13

Yes I think they did because of how the media took it

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-who-clarification-of-their-statement-on-26-04-20-about-immunity-passports/

buttermilkwaffles · 27/04/2020 17:29

WHO press conference today:
Q about immunity.
@DrMikeRyan (WHO) says tests can answer q of whether someone was infected but whether that means they are protected "still needs to be addressed". Says assumption would be some level of immunity after infection, but question is how much, how long?
Source: mobile.twitter.com/kakape/status/1254807367092494346

ToffeeYoghurt · 27/04/2020 17:48

It's too early to know for sure of course but so far, over the past four to five months, is there anyone known to have had it, recovered, and then died after becoming reinfected?

Have I understood the immunity issue correctly? It seems like there's several possibilities with Covid. It could be it lies dormant for years and is similar to chickenpox and shingles. Or is it like TB, where you have antibodies after exposure and don't get ill with it again (as far as I'm aware)? Or is it more like HIV where, without ongoing treatment, you always have a vulnerability to getting sick?

changemind · 27/04/2020 18:52

@Mollybutton if you're around can you point me to that info on the research of the immune system being hijacked. Completely slipped my mind

HeIenaDove · 27/04/2020 19:57

@LilacTree1 Stifling hot flats featured on Channel 4 news tonight.

One guys flat was nearly 25 degrees while the weather temp on his mobile was 12

Because of the window restrictors he cant open windows properly.

Inkpaperstars · 27/04/2020 20:01

Our flat is upper floor and a total suntrap on the living area side , plus all appliances are in that one room adding to the heat. I am basically resorting to staying in the bedroom much of the time. Which is not good. When it gets hotter it is going to be very very difficult.

TheCanterburyWhales · 27/04/2020 20:19

Spoke to my friend in Shanghai this morning. Schools opening next Monday with distancing, masks etc in place. Only some school years though.

mrshoho · 27/04/2020 22:21

I've noticed the last couple of days family on social media in Stokholm sharing concern about coronavirus. In their circles at least there seems to be a shift in attitude with more posts worrying and complaining about people not adhering to distancing advice and stories of hospitals struggling. very different to just two weeks ago when they were looking at London and checking in on us and not thinking there would be anything like as bad there.

Egghead68 · 27/04/2020 22:52

Oxford vaccine seems to work on monkeys

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.amp.html

colouringindoors · 27/04/2020 22:55

Anyone watch Panorama? Trending at 4 on Twitter...

HeIenaDove · 27/04/2020 23:18

Fuck sake

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52439018

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2020 23:28

Helena, if people have sport to watch on TV they will stay home more willingly.

Keep that in mind; there is a finite limit to keeping people at home without anything to do.

Government has to find a way to entertain bored individuals: broadcasters are classed as key workers already...

TheStarryNight · 27/04/2020 23:29

Coronavirus: Professor Hugh Pennington details how UK could end social distancing this year

Callum Ross, Press and Journal
April 27, 2020, 5:34 pm

Social distancing could be "abandoned" by the end of this year if decision-makers stopped waiting for a vaccine, an expert claimed.

Professor Hugh Pennington, emeritus professor of bacteriology at Aberdeen University, said he was “reasonably optimistic” that the coronavirus outbreak could be “eradicated” in Britain by Christmas by focusing efforts on a huge increase in testing and tracing.

If we have an eradication strategy that is successful by the end of the year, then all these things could be abandoned. Even social distancing could go.”
Professor Hugh Pennington

The UK Government is aiming to carry out 100,000 tests a day by the end of this month, but Prof Pennington believes the target should be nearer one million.

The expert urged ministers to pursue such a strategy rather than pinning their hopes on getting a vaccine, as he warned: “We might never get a good vaccine”.

Speaking to The Press and Journal, Prof Pennington said schools, shops and restaurants could be the first to reopen, but he predicted pubs may have to remain shut for a longer period, as would restrictions on people coming into the country.

“If we have an eradication strategy that is successful by the end of the year, then all these things could be abandoned. Even social distancing could go,” Prof Pennington said.

“As long as we still had a really good testing programme to make sure the virus wasn’t still creeping about, and then we would obviously need to have restrictions on people coming into the country from countries where the virus is still busy.”

Prof Pennington, who led a 1997 government inquiry into an E. coli outbreak in Scotland, is due to give evidence to Holyrood’s health committee on the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on Tuesday.

Professor Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, who has been a key adviser to the UK Government on its response to the disease outbreak, has warned that significant social distancing measures would need to remain in place until a vaccine is created, which is not expected until next year.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has also said that “some form of social distancing is going to be required perhaps up to the point where a vaccine is available”.

But Prof Pennington said government policy should not be based on such hopes.

“I think it would be unwise to put all the weight on saying ‘we’re not going to be able to do this until we get a vaccine’,” he said.

“Because, on the one hand, we might never get a good vaccine, because the virus itself might not be knocked back by a vaccine as well as we would like, and the vaccine themselves, there’s a theoretical possibility that some types of vaccine might make the illness worse. We’ve seen that in the past.

“I think saying, ‘we can’t relax this until we’ve got a vaccine’ would be a mistake, because that might mean predicating a policy on something that isn’t going to happen.

“A vaccine would be nice, it would be great if it worked and it would solve a problem next year, but not this year.

“I think the aim has to be to get the virus sorted out this year. The end of the year would be my optimistic target.”

The microbiologist, who was chair of bacteriology at Aberdeen University from 1979 until his retirement with emeritus status in 2003, said the “signs are good” that Britain could repeat the examples of China and New Zealand, where there are now few cases.

“I think what we should be aiming for is not control of the virus, in the sense of flattening the curve or preventing a second peak, we should be aiming at eradication of the virus,” he said.

“I would set it at a target because we’ve got enough time, I think, if we are strict about social distancing.

“We don’t need to worry as much about some of the lockdown things – we might be able to let the schoolkids back, for example, and shops are beginning to open.

“I think the last people who would be benefiting from this would be pubs, because clearly the whole essence of a pub is everybody being close together.

“I don’t see why restaurants couldn’t be able reopen, if they move the tables apart and all that kind of stuff.”

“I would set Christmas as my target; well, just before Christmas, so that people could enjoy it.

The future of sporting events has been a hot topic in recent weeks, and Prof Pennington believes a major investigation should be held into whether the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool FC’s match against Atletico Madrid on March 11 contributed to the spread of the virus.

“We should be looking to do that quite quickly because that would give us the evidence on which we could base the release of the lockdown,” he said.

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HeIenaDove · 27/04/2020 23:35

Footballers wont be able to socially distance while playing

Havent enough people been sacrificed at the altar of sport already?

Quartz2208 · 27/04/2020 23:42

but it is their choice to play - and I think there will be testing involved (at the expense I suspect of the clubs) and monitoring. With that I cannot see by June time why it would be such an issue if done properly

We cant live in this bubble forever

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2020 23:44

No you are right, footballers won't be able to socially distance.

They are also relatively low risk though (age and fitnesses - and most will have very good underlying health). Plus they will be in relatively small groups. As long as they are socially distancing in other parts of their life they probably will be in a 'closed community' for the most part, so again this reduces risk in relative terms.

The issue is more with the backroom staff who aren't necessarily as financially priviledged (with all that brings) nor in as good health. But if matches are to be televised only, that reduces the number of staff needed - and in most cases, socially distancing at work would be a lot more viable than in other workplaces.

I think you have to think about whether football resuming on tv would have the effect of stopping a huge number of the general public (many of whom will be far more at risk) from getting to a point where they abandon social distancing rules because they are bored.

It could well be that the behavioural science of this, points to resuming football being less risky on balance as a result.

It sounds crazy, but I suspect there may well be merit to the madness on this one.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2020 23:45

(And yes, clubs can afford to closely monitor and test their players on a regular basis)

middleager · 27/04/2020 23:46

I heard today that the Grand Prix is going ahead 'behind closed doors'

While the driver is solo in the car, how on earth will the team operate (changing tyres etc)?

Heaven forbid if there's an accident. I guess they've factored all that in...

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2020 23:47

While the driver is solo in the car, how on earth will the team operate (changing tyres etc)?

Shouldn't the F1 teams be off building ventilators or something?