Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

[TheStarryNight]

New thread

[CrunchyCarrot]

New thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3900844-Worried-About-Coronavirus-thread-39

[WhoWants2Know]

Go for it

[BBCONEANDTWO]

@CrunchyCarrot can you please - I'll look out for it thank you.

[CrunchyCarrot]

I can make a new thread if no-one else is?

[CrunchyCarrot]

shattered! I gather from google it's hashimotos more than likely

Yes Hashimoto's, that's what I have, too. I had both antibodies very raised. Felt like death warmed up! Seem to have been involved in thyroid-related stuff for years now (well 4 years to be exact!).

[ClientQ]

@CrunchyCarrot shattered! I gather from google it's hashimotos more than likely

[CrunchyCarrot]

Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing

Wow. These people seem to think they are above judgement and immune to Covid-19, too.

[CrunchyCarrot]

@CrunchyCarrot I've just had a letter - TSH 7.1 and antibodies found. No treatment offered

No words. Just awful. How are you feeling?

[Coquohvan]

Such a hypocrite!

[HeIenaDove]

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Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover
Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing





But yeah The fatties are the problem

[woodencoffeetable]

we just received notice that sports for dc will start as well for dc.
but only outdoors. and dangerous sports only for footwork/technique. no contact.

[ClientQ]

@CrunchyCarrot I've just had a letter - TSH 7.1 and antibodies found. No treatment offered

[StrawberryJam200]

@VictoriaBun I was wondering too... can't find one anywhere. Think things have (maybe in some natural way), gone rather quiet on here.

[VictoriaBun]

Have I missed the link to the next thread ?

[CrunchyCarrot]

@WhoWants2Know My TSH was recently measured at 5 and instead of treating it the GP recommend I do a couch to 5K.

That's insane. Exercising makes hypo worse, it's the worst advice he could have given you. Grrrr. At 5 you are already hypo, if you can you should get your antibodies tested, as well as FT4 and FT4. You can get fingerprick tests via Medichecks or Blue Horizon, to name two.

@Newjez Sorry to hear about your son, you can't be too careful though, Covid is giving odd symptoms at times so best he gets investigated in hospital. I hope it all goes well. xx

[Keepdistance]

Re the coughing on. I notice with my dc that when unwell they lose inhibitions (possible adhd). Notably with flu spray - live vax. Dd2 was blowing raspberries and put a door handle in her mouth when ill a few weeks ago and dd1 coughed at me. So imo whilst still obviously inexcusable it may not be intentional in the sense that if the people were not unwell they might not be doing it. It would be interesting to see what % of those doing this have covid (as in is is causing a loss of inhibitions) and maybe asd/adhd.
Certainly if you are happy hypoxic it makes sense you behaviour might be affected whilst also being rather zombie movie that these people are intentionally infecting others

[RedToothBrush]

www.buzzfeed.com/richholmes/coronavirus-uk-assaults-emergency-workers?bftwuk&utm_term=4ldqpgm#4ldqpgm
Assaults On UK Emergency Workers Are Rising, Even As Other Crimes Are Falling
Leaked data shows that during a four-week period starting in mid-March, police recorded 300 cases of “coughing or spitting on emergency workers”.

[RedToothBrush]

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-05-01/-false-dawn-recovery-haunts-virus-survivors-who-fall-sick-again?__twitter_impression=true
‘False Dawn’ Recovery Haunts Virus Survivors Who Fall Sick Again

Worth reflecting on this when considering whether the UK has done well or poorly in the long term.

Officials in countries that managed to suppress an initial wave of the pandemic are dreading the possibility that the virus may have a seasonal pattern and could return in the fall and repeat the nightmare scenario.

Hospitals already strained beyond their limits could see further demand if patients return. It also poses long-term implications for social safety nets and insurers as some struggle with the lingering effects of the coronavirus on their day-to-day life and health. Severe cases that require ventilators and ICU stays would need continued follow-up care as they recover from the ordeal, further pressuring health-care systems.

There can also be a growing psychological cost. Governments may try to isolate survivors for longer in fear that they are still infectious, adding more anxiety to patients already suffering from the uncertainty of when they will be deemed healthy again.

“A lot of patients will suffer mental health issues,” said Michelle Biehl, a critical-care pulmonary doctor at Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. “They’ll have anxiety, depression, PTSD.”

As the number of recovered patients expand, the burden will begin to shift down the medical practice chain, Biehl said. More primary care doctors, mental health specialists and physical therapists will be seeing survivors.

“You send them home and what happens then?” asked Maldonado. “From the outpatient side, we’re just starting to get to that point where we’re seeing people in the longer term.”

And

There’s consensus that so-called herd immunity is key to ending the pandemic, but with a vaccine unlikely to be widely available this year, it will depend on factors such as how long people who’ve recovered have immunity and what percentage of people must be immune to protect the “herd.”

[ToffeeYoghurt]

changemind Black Asian and Minority Ethnic.

It is scary but we should be reassured to see most people are taking precautions, socially distancing, practising good hygiene. Masks definitely provide some protection. It helps protect others as well if the wearer is (possibly unknowingly) contagious. They don't give complete protection but they help.

I'd guess eye protection, whilst obviously an extra layer of protection, isn't necessary for things like shops (as long as people are socially distancing), going out for walks, etc. Perhaps something to think about for very close up contact where there's a risk of droplets going into the eye. HCP treating Covid-19 patients need eye protection.

[changemind]

I don't know what BAME is but yes I was terrified living in the city, till it actually happened. I knew the streets would be all garden drinking parties. It is scary but feel far safer using masks. Have been thinking about eye protection though.

[ToffeeYoghurt]

To an extent they should have known it would disproportionately affect the BAME community. A contagious virus was very obviously going to affect urban areas of high population with high density housing worse.

They also even now continue to have non essential flights arriving daily at Heathrow with no checks or quarantine.

They would know more of the BAME community live in urban areas than in rural more spread out places. I remember reading back in January or February experts predicting it would hit London harder than most other places in Europe.

They would certainly have seen the data from China, and then Italy on age and sex. They would've known it was affecting people over 40 worse, and known the disproportionate affect on men.

We can't go back but we can and should be doing everything we can to sort the mess our from now onwards. That means getting hold of enough PPE, antivirals, antibiotics (to prevent secondary infections), oxygen. And immunosuppressants, which can help when patients suffer an immune overreaction.

[Keepdistance]

Yes someone said Australia was sending a pac out to over 70s incl antivirals.
Couldnt we consider treating all 40+ once confirmed. Especially if any health issues.
And i would have taken more of a stance on vit d as scotland and ireland have done.
Problem is that the people who get it worse likely sprwad it more due to stronger symptoms. So areas with say elderly or high bme populations are then spreading it more and perpetuating the issue.
To be fair though the one thing at the start the gov couldnt have known was a racial minority effect as all data from china and not sure it was picked up in italy. Though if it is made worse by cramped living conditions and deprivation etc in geographical area s that could have been predicted.

[ToffeeYoghurt]

@Newjez I'm sorry about your son. I hope both of you are ok and wish him a good recovery. It's far safer to be in hospital now whilst we're in lockdown.

Keepdistance I didn't realise the government were openly admitting a eugenics plan. I also hoped it was negligence rather than intentional. It's sickening. And something I wish the media would focus on. It's the only way things can change. How shameful.

Is any other country denying treatment? The antivirals aren't miracles but they're certainly helping in many patients if given early.

There's definitely potential for legal cases if it's a deliberate policy (and if negligence in fact). It's disproportionately affecting men, over 50s, and the BAME community. People with underlying conditions too. So that's sex, age disability, and race discrimination.

[Keepdistance]

Is that contactless dropping of shopping. i believe we caught something from a delivery guy he must bave been over a meter away. a

Re the thyroid. I also have asthma. Also exercise induced. But i find thyroxine generally helps me sleep.

Interesting re paris but really doesnt surprise me in fact i would be more shocked if it hadnt got out of wuhan.
All the mn threads about people thinking they had it nov etc last yr. I live near a big city with 2 unis. Caught something off my dad though who had it late nov. (Cotswolds) where i believe a lot of chinese visitors go to buy stuff. We werent seriously ill but by jan i had awful conjunctivitis literally oozing. there are flights from the city to venice etc.
Surely some of the uk hotspots are round airports? Or maybe university cities?

Toffee i agree with you about all that. Early treatment or any treatment.
In fact gov basically said in their plans we would be left to die at home and some people would be looke ed to put their family member out of pain.
Learn from germany - coronataxis people monitoring the sats of people and giving oxygen. Their plan also stated there would be no antivirals given. Not sure if we dont have them though there should have been a brexit store or if countries were going to hang onto them.
Imo the gov should get treated in the way they are treating us and they have not. Theyve been tested. They got early treatment -incl nadine dorries.
We cant even find out if we have it to encoyrage us to distsnce more in the house from family.
Also surely we would have exceeded capacity if all those people hadnt died as they could still have been in icu weeks later. We did refuse treatment to care home residents (rightly or wrongly) and told people they should consider a DNR.