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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

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TheStarryNight · 18/04/2020 13:57

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Mittens030869 · 24/04/2020 20:38

That's no surprise, seeing as they don't include deaths outside hospital anyway. They're so desperate to hide the truth about the actual number of people who have died.

Humphriescushion · 24/04/2020 20:46

Thanks emmac.

pocketem · 24/04/2020 23:05

From Newsnight's Lewis Goodall:

I've been leaked #covid19 death figures for Durham County Council for the 25 days to April 20th.

Nearly 50% of those deaths were in care homes.

72 hospital
67 care home
6 at home

If replicated across the country, it suggests our true death toll could be yet higher. Confirms work
@FT
colleagues have been doing

And puts Britain pretty much bang into line with other European countries where on average between 40%-50% of deaths have been in residential care.

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istherelifeafter40 · 24/04/2020 23:32

Has anyone seen any new research on anti-bodies in children under 10, and whether they don't get infected or they are not getting ill (=spreaders?)
If it turned out very young kids don't get it, wouldn't it be great.

istherelifeafter40 · 24/04/2020 23:33

Though I've just remembered newborns testing positive

Inkpaperstars · 25/04/2020 01:04

Under 10s do get it. Usually mild to no symptoms I guess, but horrendously and sadly I have read of some who have died. There was a 10month old in China, a five year old here a I think a five year old in the US. Probably more I have not heard about.

I don't know if that implies that they can spread it, or whether milder cases spread it.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 25/04/2020 02:37

Ds is 10 and came down with a bad cough and fever 5 weeks ago. He really struggled with it. High temp for the first week, the cough lasted three weeks, had aches and pains for a couple of weeks, he had a rash all over at one point, now has an outbreak of cold sores (never had them before), and now has a really painful sore throat. Obviously we’ll never know if it’s coronavirus or not, but he’s never usually ill (colds and tummy bugs last about a day!) so I’m suspicious. 5 weeks of being ill, and gp not interested as he’s not struggling to breathe and is eating and drinking.

So my probably useless anecdata suggests that it could be pretty horrible for 10 year olds (but hopefully only a tiny number).

changemind · 25/04/2020 02:55

Has your son been exposed to coldsore virus before ?

30daysoflight · 25/04/2020 03:02

Emerald, so sorry x

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 25/04/2020 03:58

changemind not that I’m aware of. But, I think they do (did!) share water bottles at football club occasionally, (which I always told him was gross but they don’t see it the same way!) so he could have picked it up that way. Or possibly from me although I haven’t had one for years. I know the virus can lie dormant though.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2020 07:30

english.alarabiya.net/en/amp/coronavirus/2020/04/24/Coronavirus-Lacking-ventilators-UK-hospital-turns-to-sleep-apnea-machines?__twitter_impression=true
Coronavirus: Lacking ventilators, UK hospital turns to sleep apnea machines

A hospital in northwest England has been successfully using a modified version of a sleep apnea device instead of ventilators to treat coronavirus patients as the global pandemic puts a strain on medical resources, according to media reports.

The black boxes – also known as continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machines – could be readjusted and used instead as a ventilator, a medical team at Cheshire’s Warrington Hospital discovered.

And

“Often we were seeing [a] positive reaction within 15 minutes,” one of the hospital’s consultants, Dr. Mark Forrest, told Sky News.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2020 08:11

Has anyone seen any new research on anti-bodies in children under 10, and whether they don't get infected or they are not getting ill (=spreaders?)
If it turned out very young kids don't get it, wouldn't it be great.

We do know that the highest risk of death is associated with high blood pressure as an underlying issue.

Children don't tend to get treated for hypertension unless they have some other sort of very serious illness already.

If you also look at other conditions that have been listed as high risk children don't tend to have them.

Many of the high risk conditions are associated with lifestyle and environmental conditions though some people have a genetic tendency to be more likely to develop these conditions too.

Interestingly:

Primary (essential) hypertension
Primary hypertension occurs on its own, without an identifiable cause. This type of high blood pressure occurs more often in older children, generally age 6 and older. The risk factors for developing primary hypertension include:

Being overweight or obese
Having a family history of high blood pressure
Having type 2 diabetes or a high fasting blood sugar level
Having high cholesterol
Eating too much salt
Being black or Hispanic
Being male
Smoking or exposure to second-hand smoke
Being sedentary

Interestingly high blood pressure is associated with high levels of air pollution.

The other fascinating thing I was reading yesterday was about a study on infection rates in a South Korean call centre. They tested everyone in the building and found that those infected were primarily only on one floor and not only that were primarily only on one side of that floor in an enclosed area.

This suggested that contact transmission wasn't particularly effective and that droplet transmission is most common (not aerosol).

After having a conversation with DH he started talking about air conditioning and how that was likely to have an affect. And lo and behold as I scrolled down the twitter comments below the study on the call centre someone had posted a link to a Singapore study on a cluster in a food hall. It turned out that the only people infected in the presence of someone who had it, were those in line with the same air conditioning unit.

Dh thinks that the air conditioning may also provide ideal conditions for the virus surviving longer because they are cold and dry rather than more humid.

And strangely enough whilst composing this message I thought I'd look up blood pressure and air conditioning and what do I see? An association between higher blood pressure and air conditioning...

I think the theory goes that you have more receptor cells to catch covid-19 if you have higher blood pressure. And once you've got it you have more problems because it can spread in your body more easily.

This would also work with the observation of children both catching it less and having less severe responses if they are unfortunate enough to catch it. And children who catch it almost all having serious underlying health conditions to begin with.

Now none of this has been proved and is still very much in the theoretical stage as a hypothesis but there is a certain amount of consistency here which perhaps does lend itself to a theory that should be taken seriously and explored at length.

It's where the whole vascular / respiratory disease thing meets too.

WhyNotMe40 · 25/04/2020 08:20

Wasn't the air conditioning the problem on the cruise ships - it was said to be the reason why people continued catching it after being confined to their rooms? As the air-conditioning used recirculated air so rooms shared air essentially.

woodencoffeetable · 25/04/2020 08:27

wrt to the home cpap - I have heard that it's also an oxygen issue in hospitals, they oxygen systems are not built to support so many patients at the same time. the hope is that helping people breathe with room-air cpap is effective as well.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2020 08:57

Wasn't the air conditioning the problem on the cruise ships - it was said to be the reason why people continued catching it after being confined to their rooms? As the air-conditioning used recirculated air so rooms shared air essentially.

Well yes.

There are slight differences between air recirculation systems and straight air conditioning but yes there seems to be a bit of an issue here that needs better understanding.

EarlGreywithLemon · 25/04/2020 11:38

Long time lurker, but I don’t post a lot. I just wanted to say how helpful I’ve found this thread. I started reading it during night feeds when it first started, and it meant that we prepared for all this a bit better. I have asthma and a heart defect, both mild, but I still want to avoid getting this at all costs- not least for the sake of my five month old baby. I find it pretty chilling when deaths with “pre existing conditions” are dismissed so breezily. Scratch the surface, and I’m willing to bet that a lot of us with perfectly normal life expectancy do have some sort of underlying condition. And likewise when the vulnerable and old are seen as acceptable roadkill as long as the economy doesn’t suffer too much. I’m glad that this thread is a good counterbalance to that, and it restores my faith in humanity somewhat.
As an aside,I have a mental health condition as well. It’s not the lockdown that’s affecting it, it’s the fear of what could happen without it.

buttermilkwaffles · 25/04/2020 11:54

Anaes/ICM/PHEM consultant in South Wales: "This is definitely what we’ve seen on the “front line”. Young patients with no or very minimal comorbidities, and by that I mean well controlled hypertension on one tablet, or impaired glucose tolerance or slightly elevated bmi. People who would fly through itu easily usually."
mobile.twitter.com/JonesTheBosher/status/1253993080128245760

pocketem · 25/04/2020 12:01

Oh this is bad. Looks like coronavirus is here to stay

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woodencoffeetable · 25/04/2020 12:03

the quickest scientific publication ever

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TheCanterburyWhales · 25/04/2020 12:08

Wrt air conditioning. Bars etc can reopen in Italy as of 18/5 (I think, we are going into a 4 stage reopening over the next few weeks, can't quite remember the exact dates for everything) but must have their air conditioning off.

MarshaBradyo · 25/04/2020 12:26

Interesting Pocketem

Although ‘there is no evidence’ - I’m getting more used to WHO type comms. The no evidence was for no human to human transmission too.

buttermilkwaffles · 25/04/2020 12:40

"It is clear that we are well past the first peak of ICU admissions.

Social distancing really works. Let’s keep it up."

"Three quarters of ICU patients are males. It seems males aged 50-80 are particularly vulnerable to COVID-19 when compared to non-COVID viral pneumonia."

From thread on latest @ICNARC report:
mobile.twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1253990292845461504

buttermilkwaffles · 25/04/2020 12:42

From thread above.

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Gronky · 25/04/2020 12:45

Oh this is bad. Looks like coronavirus is here to stay

It's not quite as doom and gloom as it sounds. There aren't any studies which have been concluded either way. The potential issue is that normal coronaviruses don't tend to trigger an immunity-conferring immune response but they're also much less severe. We do know that antibodies are developed by at least some individuals that have the infection and that, while we're unclear on whether they offer total immunity, they do reduce the severity of an infection. This is why they're starting to use serum from recovered patients as a form of treatment.