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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

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TheStarryNight · 18/04/2020 13:57

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woodencoffeetable · 24/04/2020 06:19

the infection charts in a german newspaper. (der spiegel)

it's confirmed infections - trend - deaths

according to this there is only a very small downward trend for uk&us wrt new infections. russia is looking bad now (as expected)

Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38
mrshoho · 24/04/2020 06:41

I'm so very sorry to hear that Emerald. My thoughts to you and your Mum. 💐💞

whataballbag · 24/04/2020 06:58

So sorry to hear about your lovely Mammy emerald. Sending lots of love ❤️ Thanks

TheCanterburyWhales · 24/04/2020 07:07

Flowers Emerald. Thinking of you. X

RigaBalsam · 24/04/2020 07:44

Emerald so sorry to read that.Thanks

CrunchyCarrot · 24/04/2020 07:46

So very sorry to hear your sad news, Emerald. Flowers

EducatingArti · 24/04/2020 08:22

fullfact.org/online/evidence-network-fake-nhs-tweets/

Regarding NHS fake accounts.

Emerald, I am so sorry.

middleager · 24/04/2020 08:30

I'm so sorry Emerald Flowers

SistemaAddict · 24/04/2020 08:37

EmeraldThanks

From all the threads saying that lockdown appears to be being ignored, is anyone else expecting cases to rise again? I expect a rise two weeks after Easter anyway but it sounds like lots of households are now mixing regularly and lots more movement in general.

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2020 09:11

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/key-worker-tests-covid19-home-run-out-drive-through-coronavirus-a4422886.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1587714805
Coronavirus home tests for key workers run out before 9am after Government promises them to millions

Home testing coronavirus kits have already run out, despite millions of key workers and their families being invited to book them online.

A message on the Government website states: "We’ve issued today’s allocation of home test kits. If you need a home test kit, check back here tomorrow, when more will be available.

"You can continue if you’re able to visit a drive through test centre."

'not enough demand for testing' during the past two weeks we've been hearing, is a bit crap isn't it?

wintertravel1980 · 24/04/2020 09:30

'not enough demand for testing' during the past two weeks we've been hearing, is a bit crap isn't it?

There is not enough demand for drive-in testing. PHE who have been responsible for handling testing logistics have not considered the fact that quite a few doctors and nurses living and working in larger cities do not have cars or in some cases even driving licenses.

Drive-in testing facilities are very useful in less populated areas but most of demand for testing still comes from urban areas.

NoWordForFluffy · 24/04/2020 09:31

Flowers Emerald. I'm so sorry.

'not enough demand for testing' during the past two weeks we've been hearing, is a bit crap isn't it?

Everyone with half a brain cell knew that already.

My friend is a midwife and is very likely to have had CV-19, followed by secondary pneumonia. Her Trust refused to test her even though she was begging for a test. Crazy.

NoWordForFluffy · 24/04/2020 09:33

Drive-in testing facilities are very useful in less populated areas but most of demand for testing still comes from urban areas.

Which is why Keir Starmer raised this point in PMQs. Access to tests is really important.

MarshaBradyo · 24/04/2020 09:35

The vaccine trial has started here. First injection with two vaccines. One control.

I do have hope on this, so interesting. But we’ll see in time. I do feel that unlike other areas this is something to feel positive about in U.K. I’m being moderate in language as we don’t know if it will work.

Reastie · 24/04/2020 09:58

Re the U.K. vaccine trials. They said on bbc breakfast this morning (it was a scientist I think involved in the trials) that the people with the vaccine would need to naturally come into contact with the virus to see if it works and that it would be unethical for them to specifically expose them to test the vaccine efficacy. They said the sooner they will be naturally exposed to it the sooner they will have initial results and can proceed with the next round of testing and, effectively, the sooner we will potentially get a vaccine. So I’m guessing the govt will want some social spread of cv in the near future (within the bounds of NHS capacity) to increase the chances of speeding up a possible vaccine.

Focusanddetermination · 24/04/2020 10:07

households are now mixing regularly
Certainly are on my street, one house in particular has people coming/going every half hour or so through the day. Not a care in the world...

Crimples · 24/04/2020 10:11

May I ask a question about testing?
Given that one (the first?) of the conditions we have to meet to ease lockdown is for the number of cases to fall.
If we are increasing the testing capacity day by day then surely that number is just going to keep going up??
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to increase testing, far from it.
I’m just wondering how the goal is going to be met anytime soon when more tests=more positives?
Will they look at it on a percentage basis?

MurrayTheMonk · 24/04/2020 10:12

The testing is a bit of a double edged sword for me in my work situation at the moment.
I can now refer any staff who are symptomatic for tests (at a centre 40 mins drive away). Lots of staff have misunderstood this and think they should all be tested, symptomatic or not. It's hard work trying to explain ad finitum that if they aren't symptomatic they shouldn't be getting a test.
One regular bank worker who also works elsewhere was sent for a test by her other employer on the basis that she had been poorly (she had been off for 14 days) although had declared herself fit for work-and seemed it, and had been back a week at this point.
She went for the test (which she had to do on herself whilst sitting in her car-which seems not very fool proof to me), and three days later got the result 'inconclusive'. Que huge panic in rest of staff team..lots of people cancelling shifts and we are back to square one....

She has been back in work a week so even if she does have it, it's too late in terms of transmission that may or may not have occurred.

Highlights a few things

  1. Testing system not fit for purpose still. I'm hearing lots of tests come back as inconclusive, probably as not self administered correctly. It shouldn't be hard but lots of people aren't well versed in how to do even simple medical stuff like this-throw in a 40 min drive when you feel poorly, and a weird, stressful experience at the test centre when you feel unwell already-mistakes will be made.
  1. Advice is not being followed on who should be eligible for a test and there is no way of policing that. Non symptomatic people going for tests is a waste of resource-the test won't show if you have had it in the past.
  1. We should have been doing this and contact tracing from the beginning-then we'd have known who had it, who didn't, how to deal with those that have been in proximity to a positive person etc. Now we are left with back dated panic.
  1. Still no way of getting service users tested. Not been offered and even if it were I can't get them to a test centre 40 mins away

I don't understand why community nursing teams can't be given test kits and sent to care homes to swab everyone in one go, and do so more reliably than people doing it themselves.
Yes they are stretched. We all are. But they are still coming out to do other things-dress pressure sores etc... or why not redirect NHS staff that are working in areas that are now quieter due to Covid fear to care homes to conduct tests. It would be a morning's work in most homes-less in smaller ones.

I'm just so sick of this whole situation. The lack of clarity, the u turns on testing, the lies on the figures, the scrabbling for PPE, and on a smaller scale, trying to keep my staff on a level when they are losing their minds every ten minutes or whenever they watch the news!

pocketem · 24/04/2020 11:18

See also:
NHS bosses sound alarm over privately-run testing centre at Chessington.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/hospitals-sound-alarm-over-privately-run-test-centre-in-surrey

Swabs going missing, results being mixed up between different patients, test centre not phoning through urgent results because they haven't recorded telephone numbers

pocketem · 24/04/2020 11:21

The RAF is testing the new track and trace app being developed by the government as part of preparation for any relaxation of lockdown restrictions.

The app, which relies on Bluetooth technology, is designed to alert smartphone owners if they have come into close contact with anyone that shows symptoms of the coronavirus.

When users open the app, they’re either told “You’re OK right now” or “You need to isolate yourself and stay at home.”

EmeraldShamrock · 24/04/2020 11:38

Thank you for all your condolences.
Mam is gone now at peace. Flowers

pontypridd · 24/04/2020 11:42

Do people here think we're losing control of this lockdown?

I feel we've given so much up in the last month - for what? Everyone here is dropping social distancing.

Is this what government actually wants us to do? I've cut myself off from the news (other than newsnight) and don't watch the 5pm briefing anymore. Mainly because Boris isn't doing it.

Will he be coming back soon to take back control of this situation, do you think?

tiredvommachine · 24/04/2020 11:51

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