Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

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Helena hello!

Flat is very hot. People are looking for coins in the street. Just sharing that with someone open minded enough to understand

There seems to be an awful lot of posters wanting out of lockdown or not having one at all. Seems odd to me. This thread has been is not titled worried about lockdown. It is being derailed.

“ they'd rather see 500,000 others dead than give up their way of life for a while. ”

Way of life = food on table, roof over head 🤔

In fact Canterbury why don’t you give up your home to people needing covid beds?

Quite, Humphrey.

Yes, Smile, I do know what an actuary is. I often have to transcribe their audio submissions in court.

I thought all the hospitals were empty Lilac? Isn't that one of your arguments as to why lockdown should end?

Canterbury sorry, I thought you weren’t in the UK.

I haven't been paid since January Lilac, and my husband is furloughed.
Your point about roof and table is?

I'm not.

Canterbury I’d rather bed dead than lose those things.

It’s really good news this thread has been taken over by “worried about lockdown”. There may yet be hope.

Smile, I don't think anyone wants to be in lockdown but do you really think the country would be in a better place if we hadn't taken these measures given what we know about this virus?

Ii am worried about coronvirus so i wanted a lockdown, and that has been the focus of this thread and has been very helpful up to now. So i dont want to debate about whether we should have locked down or not. And i dont think worrying about coronvirus and worrying about lockdown are the same thing.

@LilacTree1 Supposed to be hot here tomorrow Not looking forward to it.

Daily Briefing saying yet again they built a hospital. NO They converted an entertainment venue into a hospital.

Do people really believe lifting lockdown soon would save jobs and the economy? If we have one of the highest death rates in the world with lockdown, what impact on the economy do you think a bad second wave would have? There's more chance of saving jobs and homes if we avoid a worse second wave. We can't magic wand the virus away. Some jobs are in trouble. It's awful but nothing will change that. All we can do is everything we can to limit the damage. We can also spend taxpayer money more wisely. HS2 - sunk costs fallacy needs to be noted. It's still going ahead. Billions of pounds on obselete technology to shave 20 minutes off the journey of wealthy executives (it will too expensive for most commuters). And, you'd think the pandemic demonstrates clearly the folly of focusing the economy solely in London. It's having devastating impact on London's poor, crammed into ever more high density housing. That money would be far better spent on Covid relief.

A longer initial lockdown will limit long-term economic damage. I know It's annoying some people but it's so important to bear in mind I have to keep saying it. More haste, less speed.

the lockdown has not been put in place to save lives. It just hasn't. It's about resources

Why are resources important? Clue, it begins with L and rhymes with hives.

What resources do you think they are trying to protect that don't relate back to saving lives? Not just with reference to Covid but with reference to the economy going forward and the loss of lives relating to economic collapse.

You are correct that lockdown is not about individual lives so much as the wider picture. Some people don't seem to grasp that and think that govt advice is reliable in assessing every aspect of your own risk. It isn't, they just want to keep general transmission down to a manageable level.

Exactly. Those shielded are far more likely to die if the hospitals are fit to bursting than if they have beds, staff, drugs, and equipment to treat them.

Worrying they're still building hospitals. It indicates they're planning on premature end to lockdown - and the inevitable huge rise in cases. Aren't we already high enough in the world Covid death rate figures? Does the government want us to top the table? Heaven help the economy too. Absolute short-sighted policy.

Separately, what a waste of money. If we haven't enough staff for the current nightingales, where will the staff come from for the new one? With lockdown we've already had around 100 healthcare staff die. They can't help us if they're sick or dead.

How is it saving lives when thousands of ICU beds are empty while people die outside hospitals and can't even get admitted to hospital until they're turning blue?

In a way those most at risk are those with conditions not on the shielding list. Diabetes, hypertension, being overweight, cardiac issues. All have the highest death rates, higher than some conditions on the shielding list. They will be the most vulnerable if lockdown ends too soon. And they're a big group. Those conditions are very common in the UK.

Witty has just said we need to look at the all causes seasonally adjusted mortality. Aka as the excess deaths.

Thats the type of data the ft have been looking at and they think the number of deaths is closer to 41,000 than 17,000...

The segment from the army just sounded like a whole bunch of propoganda guff