Worried About Coronavirus- thread 38

[TheStarryNight]

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The flights are relevant to whether or not lockdown works, and how bad any second wave might be

I don't think so. This is a global issue and I suspect virtually everyone who arrives has been in a country with some degree of lockdown anyway and once they arrive here, they also have to go into lockdown. OK they might go to a supermarket but if you have symptoms you are supposed to stay at home and if you have been locked down elsewhere you shouldn't have symptoms or even be infected.

And the numbers trickling in are tiny.

Once lockdown is eased here and elsewhere we might need more stringent controls, but at the moment I don't think it's an issue at all.

As for the A&E thing I suggested on this or another thread that you could go to A&E and get someone else from another household to go in for you to get help, so you weren't just walking into A&E with covid. Some hospitals may have a signposted area for covid patients anyway so you wouldn't necessarily even need to go near normal A&E. But if I think I might die, I'm not waiting for an unqualified call centre person to decide if I have the chance to live or not. Hopefully I will never find myself in the situation.

"People survive 3 weeks with medical attention. If people are dying in large numbers at home, there is a big suggestion that people are struggling to get access to medical attention...

... And therefore survival times could less than elsewhere in the world."

The peak on April 8th is based on hospital deaths so it covers people with access to medical attention.

London hospital deaths appeared to have peaked even earlier - on April 4th.

Nightingale London only has 27 patients, as against a nominal capacity of 4000. Ridiculous that they are so short staffed that they have to turn away patients. The hospital seems like it was just a paper PR exercise for the government to portray themselves as ramping up capacity

As we are hearing that many hospital departments are quiet, could some of the staff from these departments not be moved to staff the Nightingale hospitals?

I read that it is critical care nurses in particular that are needed in at least the London one. I doubt there are any of those with any time on their hands, unfortunately.

I'm sure you're right Egghead, but surely anyone with nursing experience would be an improvement on no care at all?

I'm really stressed today with all the news.
It just feels like everything is falling apart and the government isn't being accountable at all, just patting themselves on the back and saying they've done everything right.

I'm very worried for my son, who is 3 months old, and what kind of future he is going to have.
It feels like things are never going to return to normal.

A wave we will not detect until later than we should. That should scare you. Especially if PHE start to play it down and there's no change in testing.

Agree! Why are there so many threads saying lockdown should be over and its only the old that die or underlying conditions?

I am finding this scary too.

@IStressheadI

Things will get better. There will be a vaccine. This much technology and this many great minds focused on one thing will surely bear fruit in time. There may be some false starts and the next little while will be hard but we will get there. Likely before your son is even able to form proper memories.

I've had the official "extremely clinically vulnerable" phone call from my GP today and feel quite down as my 12 weeks starts from today. I've already shielded for 5 weeks as it is but it runs from the day you get notified. I feel so sorry for the children who won't get to do our normal nice weather things.

Bercows it’s guidance, not a legal order.

Are you sure it runs from the date you get notified @Bercows? That makes no sense. I’m extremely vulnerable and shielding till June 12th (currently). If the risk is low enough for me to emerge at that point, surely it is low enough for you too?

The 12 week thing was always arbitrary. If the coronavirus epidemic is still raging on 12 weeks from the original letters going out, they aren't going to tell the people in the shielding group that it's ok to start going out now.

@pocketem no, but it makes no sense to have different “end-dates” for different extremely vulnerable people. We should all have the same end-date.

My point was that the end date doesn't really exist. It was just to give people a rough idea of how long the pandemic might last. That will be the same for everyone regardless of when they got their shielding letter. It's not like those who are just recieving their shielding letter now will end up having to shield for longer than those who got theirs last month. The end date will be the same for everyone. When it is safe for people to come out of shielding, they will let us know

Yes

The end date is “we can cope with you clogging up the nhs at this point”.

It doesn’t change your risk.

Shielded people are least at risk from visits now as everyone they’re mixing with has been locked down.

Yes, the GP was very clear but I double checked too. It may well be guidance, but I'd be an idiot to go against it when I'm the only adult ds has in his life who could care for him. It's evidently taken far longer than the government anticipated for the NHS/GPs to let patients know they were on the list. I'm a qualified nurse with a decent understanding of immunology/how vaccines work, and respiratory was my specialty so I have a good understanding of my asthma and the medications I'm on. To go against guidance would be to disregard all my knowledge and training.

Wuhan fully resumed public transportation and reopened its zoo today. It has maintained zero new cases for several days now.

Wow
I knew TFL would go bankrupt but I even didn’t think it would be this soon

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8244249/London-transport-network-WEEK-running-cash-Sadiq-Khan-reveals.html

Hope TfL does go bankrupt to be honest. Finally a chance to sack all those lazy tube drivers getting paid 50k for sitting behind an automated train, and still going on strike every two minutes. It can be rescued out of bankruptcy free of the legacy employment issues

pocket do you think they’ll get the staff they need?

Makes me wonder even more how planned all this was.

germany announced that facemasks need to be worn in any shop and on public transport.
home sewn ones are deemed ok.

How the Spanish tourism industry is preparing for life after lockdown

From El Pais

Every patron will exist in their own bubble of hygiene: wearing gloves, a face mask, and separated from other patrons by a screen...

‘The reduction in seating capacity is also something we have considered...I feel really sorry for our workers, because if before we had eight employees for 70 diners, and now they only let 20 in…’

Interesting article on how the Spanish hospitality industry is planning to adapt when the world reopens.