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No vaccine please

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 21:39

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

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welshpeony · 18/04/2020 14:56

This is on today’s other vaccine thread : www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 2015 medical research article in Nature by the Wuhan lab and US scientists. A SARs-Covid chimeric virus is created, it attacks lung cells and it seems from the article they found no antibody, vaccine or treatment success in their research

Witchlight · 18/04/2020 14:58

If find people like the Op outrageously selfish and self centred.

I will have the vaccine when it has been tested by enough other people for me to be sure it won’t hurt me. In the mean time, I’ll shut myself away, allowing others in society to provide for me. 🤮 That is what the Op is really saying.

It is up there with parents who don’t vaccinate their children as they can rely on the herd immunity from others, even if there is no medical reason to excuse them.

Incrediblytired · 18/04/2020 15:12

You’re planning on benefitting from others having it though aren’t you? Or would you prefer no one had it?

gogglegoggle · 18/04/2020 15:12

"If find people like the Op outrageously selfish and self centred.

I will have the vaccine when it has been tested by enough other people for me to be sure it won’t hurt me. In the mean time, I’ll shut myself away, allowing others in society to provide for me. 🤮 That is what the Op is really saying".

THIS.

QuestionMarkNow · 18/04/2020 15:19

So Witch would you be happy to put your dc in a car seat that hasnt pass all the regulatory test? Or in a car wo its MOT (so you dont know for usre brakes are working properly)?

I know I wouldnt. With a vaccine or any medication, I am not going to my or my child's life in danger because tests that havent been done.

Its different from vaccination for DTP for example where we know what are the risks and the level of incidence. There os co compariason really.

If one is happy to be pat f the TRIALS, however big those trials are then thats a different issue. Many people will be hapy to do so as this migt help their condition and will help research progress. But thats a very different sitiation really.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2020 15:21
  • Meanwhile. Here’s another thought. The Oxford group for instance. Can they make a billion copies of their vaccine for the world? Of course not. They don’t have the manufacturing capacity for it. Of the 78 trials happening around the world maybe 5-6 will produce a commercially realistic vaccine.

That Oxford vaccine, if it works, will be made in a small batch for U.K. healthcare workers.
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If the data on it looks good then it may be one of the half dozen bankrolled for manufacture by Gates etc.

QuestionMarkNow · 18/04/2020 15:22

@Incrediblytired we are ALL benefitting from people who took part in a trial, for EVERY SINGLE medication we take, incl paracetamol.

Thats part of how the system is working. Trials on animals then small trial on humans then final validation.

I would hope no one is thinking that one is selfish for not participating in a trial on cancer drugs for example, just because it might benefit others even if it doesnt benefit them.

SmileyClare · 18/04/2020 15:32

Can't you see you're putting yours and your children's life in more danger by wanting to expose them to the virus? Confused

You know the proven side effects of covid19?
High fever, severe illness, breathing difficulties, long term lung damage, disability or death, highly contagious to those around you.
To name the main ones.

okiedokieme · 18/04/2020 15:37

I won't have it, never had a flu vaccine either. I'm not high risk and think I've already had a mild case. I've seen vaccines withdrawn after full trials and roll out because of adverse reactions so no way would I risk a poorly tested one. If I was high risk I would have a different opinion

minisoksmakehardwork · 18/04/2020 15:39

I am pro vaccinations but even I have concerns about this one. If I felt there was adequate testing, data collection etc being done, then I wouldn't feel so... anxious about this one. And I am sure there will be scientists doing their best job to create a safe vaccine. But right now, talk on the news just makes me feel like it's a race between countries as to who is going to create a successful vaccine first and look at the effects later.

SmileyClare · 18/04/2020 15:46

Okie how do you feel about putting high risk people at risk by your actions? Have you considered that there is a fairly large section of the population that cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons , for e.g., cancer patients, immunocompromised. Those people rely on being shielded by immunised people.

There are wider social responsibilities that need to be considered. Not just an I'm alright Jack attitude.

HuloBeraal · 18/04/2020 16:00

I hope all those of you who think the vaccines are being rushed out have read all the data on all the clinical trials of every other vaccine you have taken and how long they were in trial for and will then compare it to the clinical trials of this vaccine? And then based on that you can decide...

countrygirl99 · 18/04/2020 16:10

I know someone who had an abnormal reaction to a standard dose of paracetamol taken after a car accident. It wrecked his liver to the extent he was on permanent medication, had hallucinations at work and died of a mild, everyday virus a couple of years later because his damaged body couldn't cope. Whatever you take there is a teeny chance of it going horribly wrong, but the chances of Covid going fatally wrong for my DH are about 10% so I'll be clamouring to get it. And I still take paracetamol.

Enidcat5 · 18/04/2020 16:51

It doesn't exist yet. How can you know it's rushed or not yet tested? Do you check how rushed or tested any of the products you use are, before using them? How do you know they are safe?

It doesn't exist yet. There's currently nothing to refuse.

drcb83 · 18/04/2020 16:53

The government could make it that you can only come out of lockdown if you take the vaccine/of have had covid (if it is found you cannot be reinfected - currently unknown) Like in Contagion, you would get a scan barcode band allowing you out to work etc.
You would also only be allowed to travel to another country if you were scanned etc.

greathat · 18/04/2020 16:56

How do you build up your immune system exactly?

Gwenhwyfar · 18/04/2020 16:58

Maybe they'll put it in the water supply then you won't get a choice.

Gwenhwyfar · 18/04/2020 16:59

"How can you know it's rushed or not yet tested?"

I hope it's being rushed, but also with proper testing. It's a global emergency so hopefully enough work will be put into doing it quickly and properly.

Gwenhwyfar · 18/04/2020 17:01

"Can they make a billion copies of their vaccine for the world?"

Why can't somebody else make copies? This is a global priority.

QuestionMarkNow · 18/04/2020 17:32

@drcb83, lovely idea.... if you want to live in a totalitarian country of course.

Randomschoolworker19 · 18/04/2020 17:33

Vaccines are not risk free. Every medical intervention comes with an element of risk reward. That's medicine.

The same applies to drugs. There are always side effects.

People take them because the side effects are significantly less than their condition.

The same would be true of a COVID-19 vaccine. There would be risk involved. But the risk of dying or being harmed from the vaccine would be so miniscule it would far outweigh the risk of getting COVID-19 and getting life long complications or even dying.

Vaccines work. The problem is most anti vaxers weren't alive when it was commonplace for children to die of things like Rubella and Polio. They don't know how bad things were.

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 18/04/2020 17:37

It is being suggested recently that having the virus may not produce lasting immunity. This virus will be a round foryears. It will come in waves and prob be part of our regular winter ailments

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 18/04/2020 17:39

A very convincing vaccine scientist was on the radio this am, Trials of several therapeutic drugs are already on trial and a vaccine is well on the way. I have never had a flu vac but I will have this one

WobblyAllOver · 18/04/2020 17:45

It's about the risk cost benefit for me.

Certainly if it came with caveats like having more freedom then I would have it. I don't see the point in locking myself away for months and months as life is about living and staying in my house indefinitely isn't a life for me.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 18:00

The problem is that the virus is mutating and historically Pandemics come in waves.
So you could be immunised against this strain but not against the next one.
I mean still it’s obviously worth trying to outmanoeuvre this strain but it’s likely that we will encounter various mutant strains in the future.
How many immunisations will we need?