How is this still spreading?

[Dee96]

This may sound like a rather dumb question but the whole point of lockdown was to decrease the rate of this spread. I understand for a while into the lockdown we was going to see the results of those who caught it beforehand starting to display symptons but were all 3 weeks into this now and it doesnt seem to be slowing down. Yes I know people still need to go the shops ect but given the measures they are now taking and how they are controlling how many people enter the shops I would think it's actually safer and less likely a risk to shop now rather than before when everyone was panic buying. So how come death rates and cases dont seem to be slowing, especially given theres a huge amount of undetected cases as well

Oh God, this thread has now gone full tin foil hat.

I refuse to engage with anyone that refers to the pandemic as "this virus malarkey".

OP the people dying now got it before lock down.
The people infected before lock down pass it to people in their household. It takes another few weeks before household transmission stops.

Has it occurred to anyone that it could be deliberately released?

Yes, lots of conspiracy theorists.

but given the measures they are now taking and how they are controlling how many people enter the shops

But once in the shop no one gives a fuck about social distancing.

I saw 2 ward nurses from our towns hospital in the uniform they use on the wards.

I know what there uniform meant because Dp has been in and out of the hospital over the years.

They didn’t have a basket and were stacking their shopping in their arms and against their uniforms
Then were putting things back on the shelf because they couldn’t manage it all
They weren’t exactly adhering to social distancing either as they brushed up against people as they tried to get to the shelves they wanted stuff from.

In my eyes they could have been treating or come into contact with this virus. Even if they had washed their hands the virus could have been on their uniform and there they were in contact with other shoppers.

I don’t really use this supermarket, ever and I don’t think it will be high up on my list of places I will visit again whilst this is going on.

I usually use a much smaller supermarket where people do seem to be sticking to social distancing.

But it isn't even about shops.
People got this virus before lock down. Takes 5 - 10 days to show symptoms. Then for those who get it bad about another 10 - 21 days to die. People dying got this before lock down.
Some of those who got it before lock down passed it on to other people they are living with. Those people either had it mildly and are recovered, or it is getting worse and they have been hospitalised or soon will be.

@Oliversmumsarmy they could have gone in the way home from work? Then they wash their uniforms at home. Most hospitals don't have space for all staff to change into uniform in site.

@excitedmumtobe87 no probs! I think I was posting on the same threads as you- kept getting very confused which one I was on!

Hope you're having a good day

Even if we had a super strict lockdown with everyone in their homes and robot delivery of food the transmission would still occur for the first while as members of each household infect each other. If one person in a four person household is infected at lockdown there are potentially three other people who can become infected over the next days and weeks and if they are only tested if they need hospital care then you only know of that infection weeks later.

Yes OddBoots and the idea that everyone should self isolate with the rest of their family goes against WHO advice for exactly this reason.

They say ideally everyone with symptoms should be in healthcare facilities and after that we should use community facilities such as hotels and stadiums, with rapid access to health advice. Self isolating at home, and especially with other household members, is supposed to be a last resort.

www.who.int/publications-detail/critical-preparedness-readiness-and-response-actions-for-covid-19

Everyone with symptoms? That’s most people I know now, and good luck when hay fever season kicks in

Witty just said (today's press conf) very clearly, the r0 is thought to be below 1.0 in the community. It has pretty much stopped spreading. In supermarkets, homes, non-clinic workplaces. Would you lot stop getting hysterical about transmission in those places.

He said specifically it's still spreading in nursing homes and hospitals and among those people who stay, visit or work in those places. R4 presenter just emphasised the same point in summary, too.

How does he measure it?

He might be right but wondering how they know the transmission R0 maybe it’s best guess / most likely based on what’s happening.

I don’t know how Witty can say that when we’re not testing on anywhere near a decent scale. If you’re not testing then you have no idea what community infection rates are and therefore no idea about transmission.?

I bet most the ppl being admitted to hospital lately and in new future are either care home residents, hospital bed blockers, hospice residents, or health/social care workers. That's one way to tell who is being exposed and how.

Hospital bed blockers is a shit term. You mean people who need care that they can't find a place for.

Witty does not know that, he is guessing.

Tonight's WHO press briefing was very informative - lots of advice on how countries can come out of lockdown and where the pitfalls are.

Lockdown has reduced the spread massively to what it would have been without it.

Of course it is still able to spread while people go to work and buy provisions, sadly there will be spread though carers/medical staff/ emergency workers to a certain extent. And those children still in school.

The lockdown just reduces the spread from how it would have been if we were all working out of the home/on public transport /in the pub.

My sister manages a newsagent/post office, they've been told to wash their hands once every two hours and not to lick their fingers before counting money. No real protection at all.

Bed blocking because the social care system isn't fit for purpose... Not voluntarily in that position.

I agree with alloutoffucks, bed blockers is a shit term.

I understand that some people can get stuck in hospital for far longer than is needed and far longer than is good for them because the social care is not there to support them. I understand the problem.

However I think we need to be extremely careful about referring to people as 'bed blockers' because it's dehumanising and right now we are at great danger of deciding that certain groups of people are expendable.

What is the PC term to refer to people who are stuck in hospital beds because they have social care needs that exceed what is available?

I'll just provoke my RSI by typing the PC super long phrase each time and this query, too

People who need beds?

BreathlessCommotion

That was my worry.

They have been treating patients all day in that uniform then without a basket they pick up stuff. Have it up against the uniform, almost rubbing any virus or bacteria off their uniform on to a food package then because they cont hold everything put stiff back on the shelf for some unsuspecting customer to pick up.

Given the size of the hospital I would be very surprised for them not to have somewhere to change before and after shifts.

I don’t know how Witty can say categorically that the only spread of infection now was in care homes and nursing homes.

How did it get into the nursing home in the first place if the residents have been inside.

It is being brought in from outside and the only way it can be is for staff to pick it up in the only place where they would come into contact with other people and that is at the Supermarket