How is this still spreading?

[Dee96]

This may sound like a rather dumb question but the whole point of lockdown was to decrease the rate of this spread. I understand for a while into the lockdown we was going to see the results of those who caught it beforehand starting to display symptons but were all 3 weeks into this now and it doesnt seem to be slowing down. Yes I know people still need to go the shops ect but given the measures they are now taking and how they are controlling how many people enter the shops I would think it's actually safer and less likely a risk to shop now rather than before when everyone was panic buying. So how come death rates and cases dont seem to be slowing, especially given theres a huge amount of undetected cases as well

UK Airports cannot possibly be operating as normal when UK airlines have grounded the vast majority of flights.

Last time I looked there had been no change to normal entry procedures at UK airports, but I agree, saying UK airports are operating normally is nonsense.

The lockdown was never supposed to stop the spread but to slow it. And it did. Infections were doubling every 3-4 days. Now they're doubling every 10-11 days. That's huge!

Here in NZ cases per day are now less than a quarter of what they were a week ago (90 down to 18 today).

The difference here is solid unequivocal lockdown. Nothing is open bar supermarkets and chemists. They are all strictly one in one out
No building work at all
No takeaways or cooked food
All work places including those shops that deliver are closed so there are no deliveries of anything at all (recent lessening for essential work from home items)
No travelling except for essential food shopping and doc visits
No mixing of 'bubbles'
Playgrounds cordoned off.
Even benches are taped off
Public transport for essential workers only and Papers checked : can't sit in first three rows of the bus and one person every other seat.
Potentially dangerous activities that may need rescue: boating, surfing, kayaking, even fishing, swimming and hiking is banned. Many national parks and reserves have road blocks

I was shocked when talking to friends in London and hearing takeaways, Amazon et al still operating and a friend who is a builder is merrily off to work everyday. No wonder it's still being transferred!

It's hard in such full lockdown (we are desperate for fish n chips!) but frankly the quicker this is over the better. Pussy footing around the boundaries of what is allowed is going to mean more people in contact with each other and have only a tiny impact on flattening the curve and encourages the population to take more risks.

I bet alot of infection comes from trolleys/baskets and tills.

A nurse finishes a shift. Pops to Asda. Is infected but doesn't realise. Gets the virus on the trolley handles. Then the next person touches the handles etc etc etc.

I doubt they are cleaning the trolleys after every use?

The fact the amazing NHS workers are not provided with the correct equipment makes me so angry. They have families and children at home. It's no wonder we are loosing them. It's awful.

As pp stated. These stats are catch up from the last week+ so you are probably getting 250 a day dying really.

Spain and Italy also have loads of cases still on stricter lockdown

I said to my partner everyone's a keyworker still

Food shop workers
Warehouses
Farmers
NHS
Teachers
Pet shops
All people who work with animals.
Binmen
delivery drivers
Community midwives.
Police and fire brigade

The only people not keyworkers are hair dressers and fashion retailers.

I have ordered my son some stuff from h&m for summer. He needed shorts and t-shirts. I've used Amazon too. Many still work in warehouses.

That has nothing to do with the number of infections. Some people really will take every opportunity to have a go at fat people and blame them for everything

It’s not blaming gay people, it’s basic statistics.

Fat people are more like to develop symptoms which put them in hospital, at that point they get tested and show as a case.

The same person with a lower BMI and healthy lifestyle and all the added benefits that go with it are just as likely to pick up the infection (millions of us have) and either show no symptoms or just ride it out at home without a test and so never show as a case.

Fat not gay - stupid phone.

Ime supermarkets are wiping trolley handles.

@nakedavengerreturns there are concerns about how NZ will exit this lockdown effectively without another surge though.

Again, lots of people missing the point - we aren't trying to stop the spread, we are trying to slow it. And we have slowed it. We can't stop it. And most of us, including the bench Gestapo need to get it to build immunity. We cannot effectively lock down until a vaccine.

there are concerns about how NZ will exit this lockdown effectively without another surge though.

That’s true of everywhere. How to exit lockdowns without a surge is difficult.

Vaccines are a long way off. 12-18 months.

there are concerns about how NZ will exit this lockdown effectively without another surge though

They'll literally have to shut down the country until a vaccine is found, if ever! No tourism!

@nakedavengerreturns I’m interested in the NZ lockdown, Italy is much stricter than here too.

People need to be able to get food deliveries and medical supplies though. Groceries I mean not take aways - which I wouldn’t personally be getting as there is evidence of faecal-oral route transmission of Covid, as with other viruses. Live virus has been found in stools.

People are still going to work, going to shops, going to the pharmacy etc
The aim of this is to reduce contact as much as possible but it won't stop it

I think shared loos have a lot to do with transmission.

If they link it to loo brushes the MN Gestapo will be over the moon.

*there are concerns about how NZ will exit this lockdown effectively without another surge though.

That’s true of everywhere. How to exit lockdowns without a surge is difficult.*

I think for us though the second surge is expected and just deciding when the time is right. Cyprus is the same - they locked down quickly, stopped all travel in to the country and have strict policy on leaving your home. Numbers are incredibly low and they've had just 1 death however the island relies heavily if not almost totally, on tourism and as soon as they let anyone in that entire lockdown will have been pointless

If they link it to loo brushes the MN Gestapo will be over the moon

😂😂😂

The airports have been operating as normal, with no checks or quarantine on people coming in

Is this true?? I'm not resident in the UK at the moment...haven't been for a couple of years but can't quite believe this!

@FortunesFave

I’m not sure what the fuss is with airports... We’re as infected, if not more infected, than any other country. As I posted on a thread the other day, it’s like worrying about putting a teaspoon of dirty water into a swimming pool of dirty water - pointless. As long as the few who arrive here (and they won’t be holidaymakers or anyone doing frivolous stuff) abide by the rules once they’re here, I don’t see the problem.

@Lexijayde44

Wow, outside Wuhan that’s as harsh a lockdown as anywhere... The only way NZ will be able to sustain having such a zero tolerance to CV infections is to completely quarantine the whole country from the rest of the world until a vaccine is found. I suppose NZ is ideally located geographically to do this!... but practically?

Even China with its strict measures at airports is importing dozens of cases each day.

The only people not keyworkers are hair dressers and fashion retailers

Anyone who can practice social distancing can work. You don't have to be a keyworker.

I wish I lived in New Zealand

Really? I don't. They've got a storm coming.

Haven’t China just announced a bit of a spike in new infections? Though apparently all from people coming into China.

Has it occurred to anyone that it could be deliberately released?