Why? Why oh why are people still coming here on holiday?

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Devon. We have seen caravans and motorhomes and people obviously on holiday (canoe and suitcases etc on car roof, all that stuff; it's bloody obvious), bikes loaded with camping stuff....

We live 20 miles from the beach and none of us have seen a wave for weeks. DH spends half the day complaining because he can't go to the beach in this lovely weather as he normally does.

Thank goodness the market is not on, or we'd be over-run. Really worried as both dd and I are vulnerable (not extremely vulnerable) and dh freaks out every time he has to go out as our Designated Shopper that he'll bring it home to us.

Why are people such arseholes?

We're going to need road blocks!

The politicians fucked up not the surfers.

I take it you are posting from your second home, garden? The govt did fuck up - but the doesn't mean it's okay for everybody else to just go ahead and be arseholes, too!

The second homers who only speak up to stop the villagers having an extra bus service or festival (lowers the tone and their property prices) have all rocked up and are now taking all the order Slots from the butchers and pharmacy.

I'd be disappointed that the butcher nd pharmacy didn't tell them to get stuffed, TBH.

So we are empty. I’ve never known a sunny Easter like this. Feels so weird

It reminds me of foot and mouth @Dunlurking Then, all the empty fields were eerie, and where I lived in the early 2000s, you could smell the burning of carcases.

Nope fuck the £30 £60 £100 fine . These cunts would pay it it if it means they get what they want
You want something that will really affect them. Not a poxy fine

Fines should be a proportion of income, not a fixed penalty.

corabel, sorry, just using London as an example as I grew up there and lived there until I was in my 50s when I moved here. It's people fleeing from areas which are more densely populated and therefore disease is transmitted more easily to more people more quickly. Any urban area is particularly vulnerable to this pattern of spread for the simple reason that there are more people.

Gasp0de (hi!! waves frantically) that Defoe sounds really interesting. It's nice to know that greater minds than mine sometimes bend to my level

I was just struck by the similarity. In The Decameron, the people fleeing to the country are rich; in Company of Liars they are poor village kids who went to the town/city to find work and as work disappears they are just going home.

What people are doing really is mediaeval, though. It's a recurring theme in all sorts of books, films, tv dramas and documentaries - aimed at children as well as those aimed at adults, art of all types, so it's not as though we, as a population, are unfamiliar with the concept. And we are proving as a population how very much the same we are still, how much more evolving we need to do before we can really describe ourselves as social animals.

I remember to my sfil once that we still hadn't developed enough of a social conscience to be truly civilized imo, and I now think I was right. (He took it personally and was very insulted! ). It's not personal, btw - just in case someone feels insulted - really sorry, but it's not personal.

The police turned away a camper coming to the lakes from Devon yesterday. Arseholes. (Not the police)

I want to know how they got all the way to Cumbria without being stopped!

It's rumoured that Stanley Johnson has gone to Devon but not sure when this happened.

@FlockofGulls thank goodness no burning carcasses but yes really like that.

Fines should be a proportion of income, not a fixed penalty.

of course they shouldn't. Fines should be fair, and of the same amount for everybody.

But they should be higher if we want them to mean something. A £50 fine is a deterrent for no one!

I hope none of you have been on any threads telling women they can still leave abuse. Some of those women live in "germ filled" London. Some of them are in the vulnerable group to the virus themselves. Refuges will fill up fast but other countries are putting victims and their children in empty Airbnbs and holiday homes but there's no point here because they might as well stay with an abuser than have loads of nasty locals hate them. Loads of people from your areas have been nasty about Londoners in particular for years so it's obviously not just about the virus. It's one reason I didn't leave when I had the chance. I'm so aware of how nasty and prejudiced some locals are. I know it's not all of the locals.

Women fleeing from abuse & violence in their homes is a totally different thing from rich selfish Covidiot arses thinking that because they own a second home in a "nice" bit of the country (thus doing locals out of affordable housing) that they have the right to travel there under lockdown conditions.

Please don't confuse the two. It trivialises the desperate straits of women caught in abuse under lockdown.

Second home owners are not desperate, just selfish & entitled.

My friend has 2 holiday lets, she would not let anyone in now. Our police are stopping everyone in this holiday area and turning them around. They would have to turn away abused families too.

I'm one of those women and feel even more trapped because of anti outsider attitudes. I'd still be bringing my "London germs", it doesn't matter why I've come. I don't want to risk travel actually because of thevrisk to me but it makes it feel worse knowing some locals hate me. I've seen it for years so it's not just about the virus. People are singling out London on these posts. If they didn't want second homes people during virus, they don't need to single out a particular place. I'm scared of anti Londoner people. It's one reason why I didn't leave when I had chances. I'm scared of bullies and people who hate non locals. Seeing posts about "London germs" is particularly upsetting. In a higher risk group to the virus and terrified of getting it and seeing people talk about me being in plague central makes me feel even worse.

Thank you for the honesty @justasking111 People refusing to help desperate women and children should at least be honest about it. I just hope your friend isn't on any posts telling women to leave abuse. I suppose the French and Spanish holiday home owners are nicer.

Oh this is nothing, backpakers are moving around Australia, going regional to get the farm work out the way and taking their germs from the well prepared cities into regional areas where there are limited resources at the best of times. And everyone is fine with it

@plantlife you misunderstand, we are not allowed guests in holiday lets, hotels, or family members staying over. Why do you think Spain and France are in a better position than us.

My friend in Tuscany lives in the middle of nowhere, at the end of her lane is a crossroads, the army/police are patrolling there, she has panic attacks over it. We are much luckier here.

@plantlife I'm sorry for your situation and I hope you get help. However women leaving DA situations is not what this thread is about and I am at a loss to understand why you are reading it as you are. It may be stress, in which case please seek help.

We walked down to the local beach 5 minutes walk from the house this morning, and encountered one man parked up in his car, reading his paper. Shortly afterwards the police arrived and he drove off, presumably on their advice. Everyone else was observing social distancing and no other car drivers appeared, just local people, most with dogs.

This is North Wales.

Thank you to everyone who did stay at home. There'll be a welcome in the hillside when this is all over.

I think because the cities are rife with the disease whatever country you live in people outside these areas just do not want city dwellers at this time. They do not have the hospitals or gps to cope with pandemic type conditions. Look at USA 17k dead 9k of those from New York and New Jersey. Things really have not changed since the days of the bubonic plague where the city dwellers fled to the country spreading the disease.

So selfish, definitely a Police matter.

My neighbours are away. ☹️

Surely there's a way to automatically apply fines via the normal speed/reg cameras to vehicles that are miles away from where they are registered in hotspots like Cornwall? Commercial vehicles could be exempt but a few big signs saying if your vehicle isn't registered to Devon or Cornwall you will get 3 points and a big fine if you go past here might deter a few of them?

My mother just phoned me and among other things said her local town was packed (she passed through, saw all the cars and decided not to stop). It's not a tourist town and only the basic shops are open like Asda. So the hordes are locals. This is in Devon.

So stop assuming everyone you don't recognise is from London or elsewhere!

I am sure there are a few idiots, I just read something about Germans crossing the border to go shopping or walking in the Netherlands and ignoring border guard advice to turn round. So there are idiots in every country. But far fewer than some MNers, and some media outlets, would have you believe.

I can't get help for now as this thread demonstrates. I'm in, as posters here have said, the plague central. If I leave I'll catch it and as I'm at higher risk I'd probably die. It doesn't matter my situation, it's nasty to read people talking about "London germs". They say that's the reason they don't want second home owners. Domestic abuse victims don't have immunity from the virus so we're the same, bringing "our gems". I obviously read threads like this. I needed to know if it's true what I've heard and read for years, that lots of areas hate outsiders especially Londoners. This thread is clearly not just about second homes during the virus. If it was, people wouldn't single out London in particular or talk about "London germs". The virus didn't actually start in London. I'm glad people like Justasking are honest, admitting abuse victims are also turned away from holiday homes, and actually I'm glad I've seen the "London germ" and "plague" posts. I don't want to leave him and end up somewhere where people hate non locals. I don't need more bullies in my life. At least now, people who tell me I'm being silly about the risk of leaving him can see that I'm not the only one who thinks it's too dangerous to be travelling in or through London.

Surely there's a way to automatically apply fines via the normal speed/reg cameras to vehicles that are miles away from where they are registered in hotspots like Cornwall

It would work in Germany, won't work here. I live in Hampshire, one of my cars is actually registered in Devon! I think our other car has a local registration plate. Unless you mean the address it's registered to, but we don't have the technology for that.

Thank you for at least being honest @justasking111 so domestic violence victims in London and Birmingham can't leave. Noone protected us. The cities are only "riddled" with the virus because other people brought it here. It didn't start in London or Birmingham or in the UK.