Why? Why oh why are people still coming here on holiday?

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Devon. We have seen caravans and motorhomes and people obviously on holiday (canoe and suitcases etc on car roof, all that stuff; it's bloody obvious), bikes loaded with camping stuff....

We live 20 miles from the beach and none of us have seen a wave for weeks. DH spends half the day complaining because he can't go to the beach in this lovely weather as he normally does.

Thank goodness the market is not on, or we'd be over-run. Really worried as both dd and I are vulnerable (not extremely vulnerable) and dh freaks out every time he has to go out as our Designated Shopper that he'll bring it home to us.

Why are people such arseholes?

We're going to need road blocks!

No it did not start in London, Brighton was the beginning of the spread I seem to recall. The problem was exacerbated by travel, trains, buses, planes. Our governments failure to ban flights from abroad imo. New Zealand banned flights and have seen a sharp fall.

My advice to all when this settles down is to think long and hard whether living in a city is good for your health, physical and mental. Property prices are high, I know you have wonderful public transport, we have not had a bus route in our village for 25 years, no newspapers, no village shop, our wages are very low, unemployment higher. You have to weigh up the pros and cons and decide what is best for you. In a couple of years there will be a vaccine I hope, but long term what do you want city life or somewhere a bit quieter?

Lots of people live in cities because they want a more cosmopolitan life with culture museums art etc on their doorstep. Also better employment prospects (in terms of getting a job, but also more interesting work, better career progression, etc etc).

Ridiculous to say people in cities should think hard about where they want to live as if they’re decision is wrong! Of course in lockdown city advantages disappear but this isn’t the norm!

I live rural, wouldn’t swap it, but absolutely see that for some it would be a nightmare.

Someone always has an excuse as to why people need to travel out, it's like competitive what-about-ery.

It started in China. After Brighton, the cases really started from the half term holidays. I think one of the first was a village in Gloucestershire. I hate living in a city, don't need transport as I rarely go out because of chronic health issues, low wages irrelevant as I'm not well enough to work. All I wanted was a safe home somewhere away from people, but I was scared to move out after seeing and hearing for years how locals hate outsiders. I'm used to being hurt by my partner but at least that's just one person. I admit it's more than that, it's hard to leave, but it was a big reason I didn't go at one point. If this was just about second homes there would be no need to single out Londoners, go on about "London germs" as if it started here and remind everyone in the city they are in the epic centre of a new plague. It's awful for us here. Especially those of us with underlying health issues. We know we have a high chance of dying. As people here say, the city is rife with it so travelling in or through it to leave is dangerous for me. I wouldn't post here if I thought I'd survive. I'm being quite outing.

@Saz12 I live here because I was born here. I didn't choose it.

Justasking111 I won't need to think about where to live after this is all over. I'm very happy here and my mental health and physical health are fine. Hopefully they still will be after this is all over. I live in the greatest city in the world.

plantlife one of the first cases in the UK was a pupil at my local grammar school. It still didn’t put all the second home owners off from coming down here and being dickheads though.

There's no need to refer to Londoners specifically if this thread is just about second home owners. No need to say nasty things like "London germs", which is nasty even if the virus had started here. If London was so safe why do you think all the second home owners left. They know what all of us left behind know. It's one of the most dangerous places to be. It's not nice or necessary to keep reminding us.

Fines should be fair, and of the same amount for everybody.

That is why they should be a proportion of income.

A fine fo 50 quid is bugger all to Gordon Ramsey. To me it would seriously impact my budget.

www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-essential-travel-guidance

Hope link works - the guidance seems clear enough to me.

Do people here think London should've fined people who travelled there for work or pleasure after the situation was known?

People who own and tow caravans have a very low mentality

They clearly think that it doesn’t matter where they are as they are in their caravan so they’ll be isolating, just in different surroundings

The are dumb asses with zero common sense. They want to willingly leave a perfectly nice house to go camp in a field in a 4 foot square tin box and shit in a chemical toilet ..... a huge screw definitely missing

Yep, exactly the same here (Devon too). People marching around complaining that the coffee shop is closed (no shit) and asking where they can launch their boat. The Estuary is closed to non-commercial craft, we're all frustrated about that but doing as we're told, but not the visitors who think it is their right to use their boats. AAAHHH. GO HOME!

People who own and tow caravans have a very low mentality

Hold on

I wouldn’t dream of driving down to the coast. My mum lives 2 hrs away in Dorset and I really want to see her but won’t risk it even though we have been in isolation for 3 weeks for my MIL. My mother had a stroke a few years ago so can’t talk well and no real friends there now, and my father died in October so I know she’s feeling lonely but we have to rely on skype as I won’t put her at risk unlike these idiots seem to want to. We’ve had to organise everything from London including getting groceries ordered for her and her magazine delivered so she doesn’t need to go out. But I was heartbroken to miss her on Mothering Sunday,

They suggested on the news that Boris Johnson will go to Chequers when he gets out of hospital. So it is OK for him to travel to "his" second home in the country.

Not quite as bad, but at lunchtime today on our daily walk with our dogs we frequently had to try and climb banks or run under trees to allow families with two or three kids plus the regulation buggy - the size of a small battleship - to walk unhindered across our local park. I’m 68 and my husband is 73. Thankfully we’re both fit and well but so much for ‘protecting the elderly’ 😏

Even more bloody annoying there is an old lady who lives on a nearby road and her family are coming every bloody day at lunchtime. She sits in a chair in her doorway while four or five of her visitors cluster on the footpath on the road talking to her over the wall.

We asked them to move aside today to let us pass safely because we literally couldn’t cross the road, parked cars and runners were on that side and we got ‘what’s the matter with you? You can get past!’

The dickheads are everywhere.

Bluegrass
It sucks, but if you’ve spent the money already you can afford to do without.
This with bells on. It applies to so much more than holidays. This thing will go on and on. People need to get used to not being able to do whatever they feel like doing and think they can afford.
Someone else is paying the price.

I'll leave this thread alone now but just wanted to say another poster is right. Lots of people are homeless and live in caravans or they are permanent travellers. They need to stay somewhere. What do you think they should do.

Just contact your local councillor.

Second that......Pawpatrolmakesmedrink...

This is rural South West, prime holiday area. There are several second homes in our small town alone and I know of at least 3, where they live elsewhere, (London and Kent) and they have travelled down here in the past couple of days for the Easter weekend, which is specifically against the guidelines. I know for a fact that others have reported them to the police.

The police were stopping cars coming off the M5 yesterday. They were stopping cars on the Link Road today and if you aren't local they were sending you home again. Annoyingly some law breakers still manage to get through by using the back roads, although police have managed to cover some of them.

At one point the people being turned around were told to go home and to report to their local station within 24 hours to make sure that they did return, but I don't know if they are doing that all the time.

Why are these people so selfish that they think the law doesn't apply to them and it's ok for them to rock up at their second home?

I've had to travel for a family funeral and have come home to Devon today, didn't pass a single caravan or motorhome or even packed up car on the way back.....

I'm surprised that the police or the council aren't stopping them.

Have relatives in Cornwall who work in a shop and have noticed a increase in visitors ( not local ) not acceptable to be travelling at the moment unless exceptional circumstances and if people continue maybe the government should put you can only be so many miles from your home ( unless a key worker etc ) people are just being selfish and too many trying to justify there reason for going on holiday . We were supposed to be having a big family gathering this weekend probably could of still gone ahead as who would probably know but we wouldn't as it is not within the guidelines !! Sick of staying in and watching others flout the rules just from my frontroom I can see people not complying by socialising with other households . It's not nice staying in ,it's not ideal but it needs to be done