Why? Why oh why are people still coming here on holiday?

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Devon. We have seen caravans and motorhomes and people obviously on holiday (canoe and suitcases etc on car roof, all that stuff; it's bloody obvious), bikes loaded with camping stuff....

We live 20 miles from the beach and none of us have seen a wave for weeks. DH spends half the day complaining because he can't go to the beach in this lovely weather as he normally does.

Thank goodness the market is not on, or we'd be over-run. Really worried as both dd and I are vulnerable (not extremely vulnerable) and dh freaks out every time he has to go out as our Designated Shopper that he'll bring it home to us.

Why are people such arseholes?

We're going to need road blocks!

@PickledLilly, I read about some idiot who was told twice by police to move on, he moved to another beach.
Got a fine.
I mean what a twat, getting nicked sunbathing!

South Devon too, very very quiet here, but have heard take of second home owners moaning about not being able to buy buckets and spades.
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On the flights issue, I'm not sure why any passenger flights are even running, other than to repatriate people or to move key staff. And there should absolutely be quarantine on arrival. Madness.

Don't understand how they're getting away with it tbh. And yes it pisses me off. I've done nothing, been nowhere, feel so trapped.

@WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo
Is that really what Jesus would do
?

We live very close to a national park.
I was out running (I brag it was trot) tonight and saw loads of fucking camper vans driving along. One stopped to ask me if the chippy in the village was open.. If the bastards go to the local shop and buy up the food stash I'm removing their tyres.

Nope fuck the £30 £60 £100 fine . These cunts would pay it it if it means they get what they want .
You want something that will really affect them. Not a poxy fine .

So as they are obviously driving it makes sense to ( to me ) to punish them for doing a non essential drive . 😂😂😂
I would give the fuckers six points and a MS90 code on their driving licence.

MS90 CODE is absolute bitch of a penalty code often given to drivers who fail to reply to notifying who the driver of a car is when they get a notice of Intended prosecution from the police for speeding or a similar traffic offence but that’s not the only reason you can get one .

It’s particularly nasty as it insurance companies don’t actually know what you have actually done to get such a code.
Although it’s commonly given for failing to respond its seen as a dishonesty penalty code and insurance companies hate it as they don’t know exactly what you did to get it.
It means your insurance will pretty much double and stay that way for 5 years
So if I were in charge this is what I would do hit them where it hurts the most and continue to hurt them for a long time after just so they understand how fucking stupid they are .
Oh not to mention the court cost and victim surcharge fee and fine of 50 percent of their wages. - So probably around £800 - £1000 on top

Oh and as for their not being enough police
There are traffic cameras everywhere . They catch loads of people speeding every day .
Just flash every fucker going down the motorways main rds to these holiday areas using the speed cameras
When they get the Notice Of intended prosecution they can then explain why they live in a Birmingham but were caught on the M5 going to the Cornwall 😂😂😂

We would love police blockades on the roads (Devon). We haven’t had a sniff of the sea in this glorious weather. All of our kids/dogs/grandpas are totally fed up. We still stay in.
We want to see them turned round and forced home.

Dh (a key worker) drove from Cheshire to Bristol today and did not see a single police car on the M5 or M6. Maybe all the road blocks are further south

@QuentinWinters Yep. I live with one. I know how much havoc it would cause. Hence the letter when we had to go to Taunton. Hence the fact that we're extra, extra, extra careful. ;)

Given how much data the police and the State have on all of us, when they join it up together between databases, I wouldn't have thought it would take that much to add car registrations, for the duration of the crisis. Or even just the bank holidays.....

Though I did have to chuckle (darkly) at the wicker man comment up thread. I"m sure with the technology we've got now we could just project them....

Avalanch I love Caravanovirus! Splendid.

Yeah, mainly 2nd homes, I'm assuming as b&bs etc are meant to be closed - but who knows?

I saw our Commissioner saying they would turn people back, but already loads had come past our house in the morning.....

So far, Devon and Cornwall are doing OK with a fairly low infection ate and a low death rate. We're jammed with vulnerable old people here in my town, as well as a fair few vulnerable like me and dd with underlying health conditions. The last thing we want right now is people bringing say, London, germs to us!

Anyway, so happy to know that none of you lot are cunts

Happy weekend to us!

I recently reread The Decameron which involves a group of people who have run to the country to escape the plague. I am also thinking of Company of Liars where people do the same sort of thing, or are simply returning to their villages and spreading the plague as they go.

It's all so mediaeval what these people are doing and I find it completely gobsmacking that in so many centuries we don't really seem to have learnt very much. It's such an obvious thing, this, that if you go from a plague-ridden area you will spread the contagion and so everything will get worse.

Perhaps they just don't understand about how disease is transmitted and that the Government (and the rest of us) are trying really hard to make sure the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed by having to treat too many at once.

I thought it had been explained pretty clearly by our Health Minister fairly early on, but perhaps it needs to be said more often -- like every day at prime viewing time. Maybe EastEnders should be interrupted to transmit a brief reminder?

The police should be given the power to confiscate the caravans. Clean them and sell later with the profits going to homeless charities.

Very interesting point about medieval behaviour. My husband is reading Journal of the Plague Year, which is fiction but apparently informed by first hand accounts. Defoe was a small child during the plague so would have grown up hearing people reminiscing about it. He says it's all very reminiscent of what's happening now, people fleeing Londonand spreading the plague with them. can understand people doing this in centuries gone by as nobody understood exactly how disease was transmitted. Well into the 19th century many thought it was miasma, ie bad smells, that caused cholera, so it made sense to flee London. In the case of cholera we now know it's waterborne so in fact flight was effective, but for a disease where the virus or other infective agent is in a person's body quarantine is the most effective thing. We know that's what's happening here. I can only assume these people are so stupid that they don't believe someone can be infectious and not know it, or they are so selfish that they don't care.

There's always.a section of society who are entitled and selfish, they just don't get that they are the problem.

We booked a holiday in Scotland for the end of May through Holiday Lettings, it's been cancelled and I've been refunded. All holidays should be cancelled and monies refunded, the companies who don't should be named and shamed.

I also saw the twits going into the Lakes with their canoe, they should've been fined £250. However locals also slashed the tyres of a lady who was staying in a holiday cottage. She was a district nurse self isolating from her family so she could do her job.

If Stanley Johnson can pop to his second home in Devon the I expect lots of other will follow his example

I'm fed up with the London bashing and talk of 'London germs'. This is a global pandemic.

I'm in London and don't know anyone who has left. It's the opposite where I am, lots of families have student sons and daughters who have left their universities in other parts of the UK and come home. Which is of course absolutely fine.

I'm in cornwall and we're having this same problem. Actually it went really quiet and I thought great people have got the message.....then easter!

The police have been stopping caravans and obvious holiday makers, so bikes strapped to the car, luggage on the roof etc. But they tell them to go home, that's it. The turn around drive away and i think half of them turn back around to cornwall once they're out of police view

Also a bit pissed off at the London bashing. The vast majority of Londoners are low paid or, even when higher paid can barely afford to rent or buy a two bed flat never mind having second homes.

I'd replace Londoners with 'Home Counties boomers and their families' but that would be passing the buck.

Easy, they assume they are the ONLY people who thought of it.

They assume everyone else will be at home so 'we can just pop there, no one will know'.

I suppose the second home thing is harder to police. If they are asked for proof of residence they can provide it.

I hope they close all the snow gates on Scottish roads . It’s unbelievable. There should be massive fines for th*is

That's not really an option - how on earth would key workers get to work and shoppers to the supermarket, patients to essential appointments etc? People actually live in Scotland too it's not solely for tourists.

@Wifeofbikerviking where have you seen this? I’m in Cornwall too and the local news has been riling people up with fake news but the local police has been posting photos of empty A30s, beaches & town centres.

Apparently there’s a helpline to report occupied holiday lets & caravan parks.

And the “convoy of caravans” that was posted about 2 days ago were travellers.

My mum was ranting yesterday about the tourists coming down. Unless she was out watching the A30 herself - I don’t know how she’d know 😂😂

I’m not denying there are tourists (there’ll always be entitled pricks) but our local news (CL) is terrible for fake news at the moment. They literally posted an article about caravans just after posting an article with empty A30 & M5 pics!!

We keep a roof box on our car. And DH says he’s getting stared at when he drives to Sainsbury’s once a week, hilarious!!

A lot of English people have travelled by ferry to Irish seaside towns and villages as well. People are furious about it. Irish people who have done this are being told they now have to remain in their holiday destination until the restrictions are lifted. I hope the same rule applies to those who have travelled from overseas and they are not allowed to drive back to Rosslare to take the ferry back to Holyhead.

We live in a small Lake District village and the police seem to be doing a good job of heading people off before they reach us, by stopping them on the M6. The village shop won’t serve anyone who’s not a local, including people cycling through on a legitimate bike ride wanting a drink or snack. The farmers challenge any walkers they don’t recognise. So we are empty. I’ve never known a sunny Easter like this. Feels so weird.

A second home owner was parked a few doors along for one night and gone the next day. Similarly a couple elsewhere in the village. I forgive them both as the first guy happily coughs up for repairing our lane just as much as the permanent residents. And the couple are retired doctors who mucked in and resuscitated someone when the village was cut off in Storm Desmond. I think there are 3 other 2nd home owners in residence but they stay long periods anyway so they’re not upsetting anyone (except perhaps the surgery). The police drive through several times a day and check the parking areas that haven’t already been blocked off to catch anyone who’s sneaked through. So hoping the rest of the weekend stays this quiet now.

Our local news for Cornwall is now reporting “live updates” as police patrol main roads, holiday destinations, beaches etc & fine tourists.

Great job from the police 👍🏻 but I do wish the media reporting would stop with all the sensationalism.

The Daily Mail will be posting more photos of people doing their daily allotted exercise again