Who or what do you think is to blame for the coronavirus? COVID-19

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and do you think any changes will be made in order to prevent / reduce the risk of any other global pandemic in the future.

@boredbumhead

Do you know what shutting down free speech means?

It does not mean a randomer hiding a thread on mn ffs.

@nibdedibble don't you find it coincidental that China's only biosafety level 4 lab is in Wuham?

The Pangolins mobilised with their Bat Brothers in Arms (Wings?) to deal with the Enemy of All Animals, knowing that our liking for international travel and cheap bits of plastic tat would spread it round the world and thereby deal with The Real Problem once and for all.

Serves us right.

Duh.

Do you know what shutting down free speech means?
It does not mean a randomer hiding a thread on mn ffs.

Errrrr yes it has!

There is lots,of proven events that give rise to peoples suspicions.

Mainly that all the PPE, tests and ventilators China has kindly sold to europe has been faulty.

Not that I necessarily believe it's a conspiracy. But for a country that accepts it jumped from pangolin to human in Wuhan it's done an awful lot to obviously silence drs reporting it and not a lot to help other countries.

Will be interesting if they offer a refund for the millions of pounds of faulty equipment we've had to return?

Agriculture, globalisation and capitalism is to blame.

Diseases dont usually jump the species barrier. Humans living in close contact with animals makes this more likely. For example small pox jumped over from the animals we farmed.

Globalisation. Disease spreads through travel. Humans travelling around the world spreads disease. Small pox was deadly to the indigenous cultures we met because they had no natural immunity (as opposed to those in Europe and Asia who had been exposed over a longer period of time.) With travel by airplane increasing people move freely all over the world like never before.

Capitalism. Usually to blame for everything. The wild meat markets are fueled by a demand by rich people for "exotic" meats. These are often served at business meetings to project high status.

At the end of the day who is to blame depends on your politics as much as anything. If you're a "lefty" like me you'll probably look for structural reasons which confirm your own prejudices. If you're on the right you're more likely to place blame on individuals or foreign governments.

@DJLippy good answer. I wouldn't be surprised if big pharma have a role to play somewhere too.

There are too many humans. Our numbers are unsustainable.

Conspiracy theories just make people feel like humans are in control. We aren't.

There is no control. We are not above or outside of nature. We are part of the organism.

Much like a virus really.

good answer. I wouldn't be surprised if big pharma have a role to play somewhere too.

...and the Bilderberg Group ...and David Eike's genetically modified human–Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians .. and the Justifiable Ancients of Mu ... and Hagbard Celine of the Discordians ...and...

For those who think China is to blame, some interesting article published by Uni of Cambridge suggesting the origin of the virus might not be from China.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins

@TildaKauskumholm blame the west and its cultural practice of not being able to stay indoors while a pandemic is going on

I've talked to some people in China about this and they believe that 5 American soldiers appeared in Wuhan, having deliberately been infected and sent to China to spread it.

I have no reason to believe this virus is a lab leak.

But in terms of threat to human existence, a future pandemic is more likely to come from a lab than from nature.

That isn’t anything to do with conspiracies. There are perfectly legitimate reasons why scientists engineer viruses. Doing so saves lives, but they also create a risk.

I would hope that one consequence of this pandemic is that people realise that we need to get much better at preparing for risks, and put pressure on governments to do so.

With an increasingly globalised system and a high population, we need to stop pretending that we can just carry on like we did before as if more global issues like this pandemic, environmental change and other risks aren’t going to happen again.

The existential risk of an engineered virus is one in thirty over the next 100 years, according to Toby Ord, Oxford professor specialising in existential risk. It isn’t a wacky conspiracy.

Quite insightful.

There was a leak from a UK lab once of smallpox. I think somebody died.

You can’t blame nature for this.

People who have reliable scientific data and suppress it for political reasons. That's who we should blame, regardless of source of virus. There's always going to be viruses, naturally occurring or not, you need to trust the monitors and politicians to react appropriately.

@momforever111.. thanks for posting the link to the study. It's really interesting and I wonder about the statement below..so many people are saying they think they had this virus before and over Xmas. Just another similar flu type virus or Covid? We'll never know without testing but so far the results have been lower numbers of those who have mild versions testing positive.

"Forster says the latest work suggests that the first infection and spread among humans of COVID-19 occurred between mid-September and early December.'

I also blame China and their wet markets and appalling animal welfare practices. They also were not upfront immediately about the virus and our government were too slow off the mark.

I ordered birthday presents for my granddaughter from the big online retailer last week as her 2nd birthday will undoubtedly be during the lockdown. All made in China. We have been slow to get PPE, testing kits (which may not be wholly reliable anyway) and ventilators because over the last few decades our manufacturing has moved overseas and we have had to get British companies to Upton to cope with increased demand. In times like this protectionism takes over and globalism goes out the window. In the future I will be avoiding Made in China like the awful plague this Coronavirus is. Choosing where I spend my money is the only way I can voice my disgust at the way we have been willing to lose our manufacturing industries to a country with appalling human and animal welfare rights. It may be more expensive but that is a price I am willing to pay. The challenge will be finding goods not made in China.

Uptool not Upton

The initial outbreak - illegal wildlife trade and poor conditions in wet markets

There is blame for how it is managed in specific governments.

UK government have run down health services and not stepped in quick enough to contain the outbreak. It took them about a week to appear and tell people to wash their hands. NHS response was slow- we can see the outcome in the medical staff who have died. They have moved mountains in the last few weeks but I feel had we acted quicker, we wouldn't gave needed to move those mountains.

China is to blame.

I've talked to some people in China about this and they believe that 5 American soldiers appeared in Wuhan, having deliberately been infected and sent to China to spread it.

If they believe that and refuse to take responsibility, then we will be looking at another pandemic from the wet markets in 10 years - because nothing will change.