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Who or what do you think is to blame for the coronavirus? COVID-19

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haveanicedayx · 07/04/2020 20:11

and do you think any changes will be made in order to prevent / reduce the risk of any other global pandemic in the future.

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TheSandman · 11/04/2020 11:13

Choosing where I spend my money is the only way I can voice my disgust at the way we have been willing to lose our manufacturing industries to a country with appalling human and animal welfare rights.

A bit late. Do you seriously think we're (the UK) ever going back to a heavy industry manufacturing economy again?

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BeijingBikini · 11/04/2020 11:16

How are you genuinely going to never buy anything from China? Good luck having no phone, no consumer goods, no gadgets, no clothes and no toys.

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MarshaBradyo · 11/04/2020 11:17

Not closing the markets that started SARS 1

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B1rdbra1n · 11/04/2020 11:18

I believe it was caused by a series of unfortunate events

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Mimishimi · 11/04/2020 12:09

nicerainyweather: That wouldn't surprise me. Gives western governments a chance to crack down on their own populations AND try to sue the Chinese for billions.

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artemisalways · 11/04/2020 13:33

I also have been boycotting products made in China since November last year. I know it is probably pissing in the wind, but like another poster said it is all I can do. It is hard not to find things that have been made in China, but if I can't , then I don't buy the product.

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NebbiaZanzare · 11/04/2020 15:08

How are you genuinely going to never buy anything from China? Good luck having no phone, no consumer goods, no gadgets, no clothes and no toys.

Make do, mend and go without. Every single time I'll do that with a tweet/facebook accompanying reference to the product I really want, could really use, but didn't buy. Making sure that if the brand or the retail outlet wants to notice how provenance affects my purchase choices, they can.

I love my iPad to a ridiculous extent. My phone has died. If the first goes on the blink I'll get the local "fixes stuff" guy to mend it if he can. Buy a reconditioned one if he can't. Telling Juice (our nearest Apple reseller) that despite my 15 year habit of rushing to them for a new one as soon as the old one goes boink (ditto for DH's and DS's)...I'm fixing or buying reconditioned only until Apple is China free and makes their stuff in the country/continent where I live. It'll hurt, but after 25 years of being Apple Only (started with a Mac Classic), I'll buy the first alternative that is China-free. Even though I know it won't be nearly as good. The phone... honestly I'm not going to bother getting a new one. I've enjoyed not being mithered all day. If a China-Free one comes out I'll buy in support of the initiative. But I'm only turning the bloody thing on at certain times of the day.

We have a local seamstress. My clothes will get fixed. Or limited to just a few things a year if I absolutely need new. I'm currently working on whittling down the fabric making firms in the nearest city to the China-free ones with no connection for production or raw materials. Same with shoes. There are a few companies here still surviving after China took over the industry and damn near destroyed the economy in that city.

I'll pay more for what I do buy. A lot more. It will take a lot of effort to shift through information so I know where all the bits of something came from. So overall I'll buy much much less stuff, cos the effort has to be worth it. I'm not committing hours and hours of poking around trying to work out if China is involved unless it's something I'm utterly desperate for.

I don't care anymore if I have to spend more money and more time when it comes to buying stuff. I don't care if everybody else wants to stick with "more stuff, cheap & easy, China.. oh well what can you do ?" and my efforts make no difference. I can do sweet fuck all for my friends whose parents have died in the last few weeks and days from this disease. I can't go to them. I can't hold them while they cry. I can't even go to the funeral from a safe distance. But I can do this, even if it's just the tiniest drop in an outsized ocean that I have no hope of influencing.

In lieu of any other way to stand up for our dead, the faces now missing from my small, rural town where everybody knows everybody.. this new "purse snapped shut unless I know where The Stuff comes from and the answer is Not China" will do. To remember that this didn't have to happen. They didn't have to die a horrible, suffocating death. Their adult children didn't have to be scarred with the trauma of a loss like that. And then be left all alone in their grief.

I'm done. This has been too much and will stay too much for years. Even if/when the virus is neutralised Italy still has to face the economic cost of all of this. My son's generation will still be paying for it when they are grandparents themselves. So I'm getting off the global economy consumer train. It has always had too high a human cost. But before now, it was all too easy for me to shrug and say "well what can you do ?". After however, it's whole different ball game.

I'm not convinced I'm the only one who feels this way. Not on this side of the alps. I don't think it'll be just me practicing China-free purchasing, at least to some degree. But I can live with it if I am.

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1981m · 11/04/2020 15:46

OMG maybe I am naive but I can't believe what I am seeing, how is that allowed?

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Radyward · 11/04/2020 15:56

No more China goods to the best of my ability. End of .

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1981m · 11/04/2020 16:01

I really hope the UN or some such power force China to close these markets forever. That is unbelievable and simple to cater to the rich.

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iamapixie · 11/04/2020 16:41

Structurally, we have created a perfect storm: an unsustainably large human population; a loss of biodiversity so that viruses have fewer easy host species; globalisation to ensure spread; an unhealthy global population due inter alia to poverty, obesity, living conditions, sedentary living, air pollution.
This isn't the first and won't be the last.

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Palladin · 11/04/2020 16:45

Please consider signing one of the current petitions online regarding closure of wet markets. e.g.
animalequality.org.uk/act/ban-wet-markets

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rjebgf · 11/04/2020 16:46

I am not sure why people blame China. It's a massive nation, more than a billion people. One of those people has made a monumental fuck up and either eaten/sold some rank dodgy meat or had a lab fuck up. We really need to look at fixing this, not blaming an entire nation of people. That massive nation has science and tech and could find the solution that the world needs. It also has factories that can produced ventilators and vital equipment. OK their meat market regulations and enforcement need looking at but no nation is perfect. Plenty of awful and dangerous shit is happening all over the world and even if it came from the meat market, it was not intentional.

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1981m · 11/04/2020 17:38

No one is blaming all of China but evidence suggests it came from the illegal trade of wild animals there. The same wet markets that SARS came from. So it is their fault, they have continued to allow these markets to trade and so whilst that continues I don't think this will be the first virus we have.

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B1rdbra1n · 11/04/2020 18:13

One of those people has made a monumental fuck up and either eaten/sold some rank dodgy meat
we are talking about widespread and long term cultural practices where live wild animals are deliberately and knowingly kept in unsanitary, appalling and inhumane conditions

it wasnt just one person making a mistake

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Boredbumhead · 11/04/2020 19:00

//www.thesun.co.uk/news/11340023/wuhan-labs-coronavirus-outbreak/amp/

I dunno but perhaps fucking around with bats in a lab under the guise of science isn't the best idea??

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BooseysMom · 11/04/2020 19:19

@NebbiaZanzare.. Well said and I for one will be doing the same. In fact i started a while ago. Let's all re-evaluate our lives and see what we can achieve

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haveanicedayx · 11/04/2020 21:35

Palladin signed it thank you for the link

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haveanicedayx · 11/04/2020 21:45

Thank you for all of your replies and I am also pleased that my view is shared with the majority of posters. China is to blame.

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TheSandman · 11/04/2020 23:57

Thank you for all of your replies and I am also pleased that my view is shared with the majority of posters. China is to blame.

Confirmation bias is always comforting.

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Dongdingdong · 12/04/2020 03:57

It also has factories that can produced ventilators and vital equipment.

Vital equipment like the 600,000 face masks that the Dutch had to send back to China because they were faulty?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52092395

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CumbiaVillera · 12/04/2020 04:25

Lets shut down wet markets asap. But can we shut the shut slaughter houses here also? Not because they spread pandemics but because the are fucking cruel. Animals are in cages and barns on an eternal lockdown until they are forced on cattle trucks and driven to the gas chambers.

If we point the finger at other nations lets look at ourselves at the same time. The word Sanitary is not an excuse to fund animal abuse.

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CumbiaVillera · 12/04/2020 04:25

*shut DOWN.

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cinammonbuns · 12/04/2020 08:44

Yes I’m sure China will be crying at the three MNetters in the UK not buying their stuff anymore. How will they survive!

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KundaliniRising · 12/04/2020 08:50

The meat industry as it stands as a global entity, how animals are kept, killed and eaten by humans.

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