Is Boris Johnson OK?

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Does anyone know how his health is and how he’s doing?

I do wonder if he is getting 'better' or expedited treatment because of his position though. Maybe in ICU earlier than another person might be? I honestly don't know. We do need a PM of course. I'm glad it's not me making these shit life or death decisions

I think that's fairly obvious.

I'm wondering if anyone else has died through lack of an ITU bed because someone who is receiving neither ventilation nor non invasive breathing support is in ITU.

I'm sure I've heard assurances at the daily press briefings that at the moment there is sufficient capacity with regard to ventilators and IC beds .

I imagine the threshold for ICU admission may have been slightly lower for Boris than others .I have no argument with that .

I'm sure I've heard assurances at the daily press briefings that at the moment there is sufficient capacity with regard to ventilators and IC beds

Across the whole NHS maybe, not necessarily region by region though.

I imagine the threshold for ICU admission may have been slightly lower for Boris than others .I have no argument with that .

Even if that meant someone else missed out, whose clinical need was higher?

He's probably turned a corner, would probably expect bad news by now if he was continuing to deteriorate

This thread is a fucking disgrace.

People should not be dancing on the grave of anyone in Intensive Care, even if they are someone you don't like. Why not just click away if you hate BJ, not continue to kick him when he's down.

This is not a thread specifically labelled as one to support Johnson, so you have no right or reason to expect only posts saying things you want to see.

I wonder if BJ will resign after this?
He must know his life's at risk and there's a significant chance he could die. That must change a person. I can't imagine you just go back to life as normal. Also BJ has money (this is not a dig) so he has the freedom to choose, he won't be thrown into poverty if he doesn't want to or feel able to work afterwards.

He has wanted to be PM his whole life. Why would he resign if he recovers without intensive treatment (like a ventilator)?

Apparently he is in good spirits according to Raab. Who is in good spirits and in intensive care? I thought you would need to be unconscious or heavily sedated to be in intensive care. I hope he recovers. I also think we should stop featuring it on the need as he is in the best possible place and the focus should be on the news on the covid19 efforts.

News not need

And yes I came here to say that

Why would he resign

Perfect get out from a job that’s turned out to be a wee bit more difficult than he would have liked.

Retired hurt, honourable discharge etc etc. Plenty of money to be made from being an ex PM.

I did a little cheer when Maggie died to be sure but I didn't wish her dead

This just reflects incredibly badly on you I’m afraid. Will you be doing the same for our current PM if he’s unlucky enough to succumb to this dreadful illness?

I wonder if BJ will resign after this?

Ha ha - of course he won’t!

Why would he resign

A doctor on TV this evening said it typically take a person months to recover after a stay in ICU.

I imagine the threshold for ICU admission may have been slightly lower for Boris than others .I have no argument with that .

Even if that meant someone else missed out, whose clinical need was higher?

My understanding is that Doctors are not currently having to refuse ICU beds to patients that could clinically benefit from them. So even if his need is not as great as many of the people admitted to ICU (and that is a big if - after all, until Sunday he simply had a high temperature - allegedly) he is not taking up a space which will prevent someone else getting the care they need at this time.

My understanding is that Doctors are not currently having to refuse ICU beds to patients that could clinically benefit from them

They are, indirectly, by virtue of all the surgery deemed slightly less urgent that has been put on ice to leave ITU beds free. As reported in the news today, an awful lot of cancer patients and others with serious conditions are being left in limbo.

@JudyCoolibar. Not specifically for boris though obviously. Its not like they'd be able to fit a cancer patient in if not for boris. It would just be an empty icu bed until another CV patient filled it.

The recovery time is after ventilation and sedation though isn't it. If he doesn't get that far he's not going to need months?

@Dongdingdong did you read my whole post?
"I did a little cheer when Maggie died to be sure but I didn't wish her dead

This just reflects incredibly badly on you I’m afraid. Will you be doing the same for our current PM if he’s unlucky enough to succumb to this dreadful illness?"
Like I said, no I won't be wishing any individual harm or death from this illness. Margaret Thatcher destroyed our country, the unions, the public sector, jobs, lives. I campaigned against her when she was in office and continue to be a meme er of the Labour Party now. I did give a little cheer when she died at the age of 87 from a stroke. I never wished an early death upon her, nor do I wish an early death upon anyone. The PM is an imbecile, he's a manipulative, heartless, scheming bastard. He can get his comeuppance politically.

sooverthemill or conversely Margaret Thatcher saved our country from the unions who were destroying it andwoukd have damaged many many more lives had the country gone bust which it very nearly did. No doubt you have forgotten Healey going to the IMF for a bail out and the mess BLiar and Brown left behind.

How vile to find a death pleasing, any death. It speaks volumes for one's mindset and attendant politics.

sooverthemill or conversely Margaret Thatcher saved our country from the unions who were destroying it andwoukd have damaged many many more lives had the country gone bust which it very nearly did. No doubt you have forgotten Healey going to the IMF for a bail out and the mess BLiar and Brown left behind

Well said. What's really laughable is that many of these posters, whose words expose them as political tribalists, are so convinced their voting choice makes them morally superior to the millions of voters who gave Boris Johnson an 80 seat majority in December. It doesn't. Their Manichean view of the world in this context is a profoundly ugly look.

or conversely Margaret Thatcher saved our country from the unions who were destroying it andwoukd have damaged many many more lives had the country gone bust which it very nearly did.

I don't wish to derail but did boom and bust and 3.5 million unemployed in the 80's pass you by? That wasn't the unions. The same unions that are now fighting for keyworkers to be provided with adequate PPE that the government should have sorted!