It would be a terrible, terrible mistake to ban exercise outside

[Thedogshow]

Domestic violence has already increased, and whilst I know some people have been ignoring the rules the majority are abiding by them. The knock on effects for people’s mental health and the safety of women and children inside the home would be terrible.
It would be such an infringement of people’s liberty and terrible for the mental and physical health of so many people.
Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space.
This idea worries me more than anything else about the current crisis. I hope so much that it doesn’t happen. I feel like it’s almost like a reaction in anger because not everyone will do what they’re told: like a smack.

Callmeadoctor buy I have a very disabled child too. I don’t really understand your point.

@Redannie118

There is no private healthcare, the government have done a deal with the private hospitals, so you cannot get seen there. It really is all hands to the pump whether NHS or private just now.

@Sammymommy

It's a bit concerning to see the number of people who are totally missing the point of the lockdown

Where are you seeing these people? How?

Th govt wants to appear tough because they have really fucked up elsewhere. This is political for them so they can blame everything on the people who didn't obey, not their ineptitude.
Don't fall for it sheeple.
Louder, please.

Don't worry The dog show, I can't be arsed. sorry...

PMSL at the posters using Vit D as a small hook to justify what they've decided they want to happen, given I've managed to get through months of Winter without seeing as many posts mentioning Vit D deficiencies as I have today. Yes I know the UK average person would have Vitamin D deficiencies every Winter though I also know dietary Vit D is what makes the difference in Winter and when anyone has to stay indoors.

Suddenly several people I know IRL have suddenly started ranting about Vit D too though oddly the people who've suddenly started mentioning it are not the health conscious ones normally, they are the ones who had previously hid their global economics, international trade and constitutional law expertise under a bushel until the last couple of years.

If people are concerned about Vit D and don't have access to a garden diet or supplements if available can substitute for most people - though if you weren't worried about Vit D supplements in November to March....?

www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/how-to-get-vitamin-d-from-sunlight/

And yes I know Vitamin D metabolism doesn't work the same for everyone.

If they stop exercise, women and children will be raped, beaten bloody and murdered. That is a the gruesome truth of it.

A huge amount of people wont be able to take the above (and other issues) any more and will commit suicide.

Inactivity and vitamin D deficiency will make those otherwise healthy more likely to develop a serious coronavirus illness.

Matt Hancock should think wisely whether he wants to sacrifice the lives, health and permanent psychiatric wellbeing of the nation's young and whether that is a ledger which balances in the long term.

Also, to all those suggesting that it’s either stay inside all the time or DIE, that is simply not right. Your chance of dying in given a year if you’re say 88, is about 50%. Your chance of dying of Covid if you’re 88 is also much, much higher than a younger person.
Most people have a significantly less than 1% chance of dying from it. So you don’t go outside, get this virus because everyone else is infected, then die. Most people don’t have it so you won’t catch it from them. Higher risk if you work somewhere medical.
60% of people get an asymptomatic version according to the latest research (see Nature magazine). So you risk spreading it if you go and spend time with people and don’t obey social distancing rules. But your chance of getting it is still very small, and your chance of dying if you do get it, if you’re fit and healthy is very small.

Wanderings, I hope you're not implying the government's mesages about raising PPE standards to the world's highest (while not having had enough for many weeks now) and getting the UK's manufacturers to make respirators in a 'Dunkirk' spirit are spin as well. such cynicism.

@DVandVulnerableToCovid,
I agree that there needs to be a lot more funding given in this area. I just don’t see how that is feasible especially now. I’m a volunteer at the charity and work part time as a counsellor for a different charity. If I’m furloughed for much longer I will have to stop any future volunteer work and get more paid hours to make up for the loss. As will many of my colleagues, so goodness’s knows where the funding will come from once the economy goes into austerity.
We have looked into online counselling online but haven’t rolled it out yet as the charity has concerns about zoom.
Like I said there are no good options for this social distancing can work, but stricter lockdown brings more issues. The virus isn’t going to just disappear. We are just trying to minimise the stress for the NHS. We can’t stay in lockdown for 18 months the country would fail and there would be no money for any charities and very little for the essential services.

You can't use domestic violence as a excuse for no lockdown. If anything the situation must be sorted. Lock abusers up if need be. Ffs

@PicsInRed.

Where have you been, women and children were beaten raped and murdered long before the CV.

So what I am saying to those who are saying, I’m such a great person, I NEVER go out, is that actually most sensible people weigh up the risk, realise it’s extremely small and go for a walk, avoiding contact with people.

It’s doesn’t make you special to not ever go out. If you’re shielding you’re should NOT go out, because then you are breaking the rules yourself.
But for most people it’s important to get out. Some people have literally no common sense. I think some people just don’t understand the risks.

If people are concerned about Vit D and don't have access to a garden diet or supplements if available can substitute for most people

The problem is that parents don't have a good track record of remembering to give vitamin D, and poor, less educated parents are especially unlikely to give it consistently. I think deficiency rates will rise.

Agree with PPs who said that it would be much better policy for police or parks officials to move people along in parks, canals, issue fines etc.

Assume we can’t do that in the UK due to the longstanding lack of resources in those public services.

@PicsInRed Women were being raped, beaten, and murdered before Covid. DV victims are also more likely to be on poor health and so at increased risk from Covid. I'm in a violent relationship and don't want to be used as an excuse by some people for lockdown to end or be relaxed. I don't want to be murdered, but equally I don't want to die of Covid. Like I said, there's a way to help DV victims without ending lockdown. Campaign for better funding to DV services, for housing options and transport to get there. For example, Women's Aid have an online chat option. Ideal for lockdown situation. It's only two hours a day so very busy and hard to get through. They were struggling with funding to keep just the two hours going. Thats before Covid happened. In the meantime, allow daily exercise but it needs to be better policed with fines for those flouting the rules.

Most people have a significantly less than 1% chance of dying from it.

Maybe but no one really knows what the case fatality rate is yet because we don't know rates of infection.

Regardless, 1% chance of dying is based on being able to get suitable medical treatment if needed. If the NHS gets overwhelmed the death rate will rise because not everyone who needs help will get it.

DV I don’t think anyone is arguing for lockdown to be reduced for this? Just to not take new extreme measures, & instead to remain calm, continue social distancing, be sensible, wait to see how lockdown is impacting infection rates which will be seen in a couple of weeks once all incubation periods are up and people are in hospital and not make any knee jerk reactions because a minority are not obeying the rules.

I’m in the police.

1. Enforcement - we are being told categorically to enforce as a very, very last resort.
2. We don’t have the sample people on shift 24/7 so even if the dick family from round the corner are on their 43rd trip out, as it is warnings first, it’s doubtful they’d actually get fined.
3. Much as we’re truly seeing the rewards of repeatedly voting Tory on the NHS, you might have seen the news...20000 less cops since the Tories got in. And we have no PPE. I’ve been begging so masks and hand gels from the kind people where I live.
4. Police aren’t immune to Covid19 which escalates the issues from point 3.

To all of you blithely saying ‘arrest them and fine the fuck out of them’:

Do tell where you will get the police from to do this?! (We’re on a 3 month Annual Leave ban and rest days being cancelled)...

It upsets me when people are just not sensible about the risk.

I pulled my dc out a week early. Before that was agony to keep them in.

I had to work until about two weeks ago as did dh. But we both shared time off too look after dc

So the risk to us now, finally being allowed to stay home are that we are already incubating it.

Once we get through that period, the next big risk is of one of us has to go into an enclosed space and share a transaction with someone.

Eg dh had too go and to pharmacy for me.

Risk. We've managed to avoid shops so far and get deliveries. I have washed every item that comes in, or take it out of packaging... But I will have to enter a supermarket this week. That will be the biggest risk of all.

I will Don gloves, masks and glasses.
I will only need about 4 items. But that exposure will be my biggest risk to getting the virus. Someone may have coughed into the air space I walk into it, or someone may have it on their hands and touched the product I buy...

Taking the dc out however, to un populated places at odd times of day, even sitting on a picnic rug and having a picnic etc... I do not consider to be high risk at all. Infact our risk would come from a police officer approaching us.

Walking, scooting, cycling... Away from others... Is not something that concern me.

"Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space"

Like 53% of Italians? Compared to 14% of Brits?

I have 3 students in their sports' national and regional teams. None of them are bellyaching like Mr British Lardarse who thinks him and the kids should be able to sit on their phones in the middle of a park with 3000 others. None of them are currently practising their sports.

The utter stupidity (and yes, the poster has to win the Trump award of the day for mind-boggling levels of The Thick) about thinking it's OK for HER to go for a picnic is going to be the reason Britain will be dealing with this for months.

@TriangleBingoBongo the law does not state one piece of exercise. There’s actually no limit. It’s one of the “reasonable excuses” to be out.

Though I have put my tin hat on as I was called irresponsible for stating what the law is 😄

Thank you for everything you do @Boudicabooandbulldogs I'm really grateful for people like you. I can't speak for all victims but I find non video options better. Just online chat, similar really to posting on Mumsnet. I know everyone's different and each situation is different. I suppose I think where there's a will there's a way when it comes to government funding. They found the money for some things. Isn't it cheaper in the long run to deal with DV and get women and children away and give support rather than dealing with problems later on? Anyway that's definitely a different topic to this thread. Just in case anyone is concerned, I am making my own plans. It's complicated by the virus, more because of the risk of catching it than anything else, but it was very hard for many reasons beforehand. I still support lockdown, with exercise allowed but better policed.

@Thedogshow

Some of the more hysterical people on here probably spend the majority of their time indoors and alone anyway I suspect. For normal people this would be a disaster

I think that after writing that, you pretty much lose all credibility when it comes to talking about the importance mental health.

Anyway, I hope that people are able to continue exercising outside, but it's worth remembering that plenty of people in other countries, and in vulnerable groups in the UK already have already had weeks spent entirely indoors, with no opportunity for exercise, and they've just had to get on with things, like the rest of us might have to.

If you are in the group of people who can walk but not do much more than that in terms of exercise, I recommend Leslie Sansome's walk at home videos on YouTube. I've used them in the past when recovering from illness and injury, and they are gentle, effective and I find the instructor really caring and reassuring.

www.youtube.com/user/walkathomemedia

Also there are some people who are pushed to emotional and mental limits by disabled dc who will have not concept of what's going on. They will need to get out.

It was awful on one of the news programs when someones said they couldn't take their mum who has dementia to sit... In a car... Not get out and look at the sea.

How fucking cruel!