It would be a terrible, terrible mistake to ban exercise outside

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Domestic violence has already increased, and whilst I know some people have been ignoring the rules the majority are abiding by them. The knock on effects for people’s mental health and the safety of women and children inside the home would be terrible.
It would be such an infringement of people’s liberty and terrible for the mental and physical health of so many people.
Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space.
This idea worries me more than anything else about the current crisis. I hope so much that it doesn’t happen. I feel like it’s almost like a reaction in anger because not everyone will do what they’re told: like a smack.

@DarnedSocks not it wouldn't, this is strategy to ease the burden on the NHS. The virus is not going to go away the stricter the lockdown. It's all about time planning to deal with the deaths.

Yes but if large groups are out and about, picnicking, day trips, visiting friends and family, we're not going to ease the burden. We should've had stricter rules on daily exercise from the start.

People sunbathing, having a picnic in the park don't just walk round the park and leave. They sit down, then they are joined by more people and more and more. All having a picnic, spreading out. Then a few dog walkers appear and people running. Suddenly you have 3000 people all a little closer than they should be. People need to keep moving and leave with no lingering.

I do wonder how we expect Police Officers to issue fines, who will have ID on them if they are sunbathing. Does the officer take them home? How does that work with 3000 people?
It makes sense to reduce the people on the street and then challenging people, taking them home (how? Walk them?) if necessary and leaving them with a fine I guess.

People couldn't give two stuffs about mental health or domestic violence OP, the past couple of weeks have proven that.

You are doing real sufferers a great disservice, because the people really suffering aren't the ones banging on on every thread about it. They're the ones being stoic and silent about how this is making them feel. And because of the snowflakes, we risk letting them slip through the net.

I work in MH and you are talking complete, misinformed, dangerous tripe.

Complete bollocks.

I’ve been diagnosed with C-PTSD, BPD, and atypical severe clinical depression from being severely abused growing up (including being locked in a room for more than a year). I’ve been Sectioned twice and am considered a high suicide risk. Being trapped is a major trigger for me and now my MH support has been suspended I don’t see any way that Ill survive this.

No, I am not being “stoic and silent” about it. I’m screaming my fucking head off!!

And anyone saying that abuse/kidnap survivors are all just special snowflakes, I fucking dare you to go to Natascha Kampusch or Elizabeth Fritzl or me or any of us and say that to our faces.

It’s only the people with great lives who piss and moan about special snowflakes.

"Would you rather be a bit glum for a few months or die?" No comfort if you kill yourself, is it?

Also, I don't know why people are talking as though if you get covid 19 you will definitely die

"Also, I don't know why people are talking as though if you get covid 19 you will definitely die"

If you don't get Covid there is zero chance of dying from it. If you do get Covid there is a chance you will die from it.
Like being stabbed with a knife, you might survive, but you might not, so you avoid being stabbed. It's not rocket science.really.

Well I know that monkey, but I've also got a chance of dying when I get in a car or decorate a room, but I don't see anyone saying it's a choice between doing one of those things or dying.

Not rocket science really, is it?

Not rocket science really, is it?

No it's not and yet you're struggling with it evidently.

I don't think it's me that's struggling with it.

Pishposhpashy

Are you sure? Cause I've read back a few posts and can't see anyone saying that Covid is a death sentance. Could highlight one or two that do?

OP I agree totally. I work in mental health and my clients are suffering hugely from the isolation. Also heart attacks etc may increase because of a lack of exercise. There is a bigger picture to this than one may think

Many, many people, more than we can even estimate have had covid and fully recovered without needing any medical assistance.

I am not playing down the importance of social distancing, because it is incredibly important the vulnerable are shielded but it is not a death sentence for all.

So sick of the scare mongering on here.

Comparing Covid with being stabbed isn’t exactly helpful.

Mental health is varied just like physical health. Plenty of people with germphobia for example. Mental health sufferers also have higher than average rates of poor physical health and so are at increased risk from Covid-19. Plenty will prefer lockdown to the risk of getting a highly contagious virus with a high mortality rate - at the same time as everyone else, so there's no beds free in hospital. There's no need to stop exercise just because you're indoors. There's plenty of free online guides to home exercise.

Where I live everybody who going out for a walk is with family and all are crossing the street when others approach. What is a street width? 5m maybe? I’ve not seen anyone closer to another person/couple/family than that in two weeks.
The only people in our town breaking the rules are also breaking the law regularly, if police can’t stop them dealing drugs and burgling houses and cars I don’t think they can stop them stepping inside 2m of each other.

I totally agree OP and it's not helpful for Matt Hancock to issue threats as if we are children.

He’s just trying to blame The People to distract from the shambles that is government and the failure properly to have provided for the NHS.

As said before they need to fine those breaking the rules rather than punish everyone. We went to the playing field near us today to play frisbee, there were 3 other people there, they were a football pitch and a half away from us. Not all parks were packed this weekend!

Fining is defined by income though surely?
A £30/£60/£100 fine could be catastrophic to some and barely a blink of an eye to others.
It might stop low income rule breakers but won’t necessarily stop higher income rule breakers at all.

Suddenly you have 3000 people all a little closer than they should be. People need to keep moving and leave with no lingering

I do wonder how we expect Police Officers to issue fines

Somehow supermarkets are managing to keep their users to an acceptable level by posting a security guard on the door. It can’t be beyond the wit of the councils and police to manage park entry numbers to some degree with some gating off.

You can't use domestic violence as a excuse for no lockdown. If anything the situation must be sorted. Lock abusers up if need be. Ffs

THIS ^

Remove them from the home for the duration. (Have to admit, I don't know where we'd put them all, but I suppose if a few of them got put into cells, and word was spread, others might control their fists.

It’s not that simple at all to just lock up domestic abusers. What about someone that reports it, the police investigate it, take it no further and abuser still living with victim.
Or victims too scared to report to police.
I fled to a refuge last year with the help of the police and women’s aid, I shudder to think of being in the current position and still living with extremely sexually and physically abusive ex. I don’t know how I would of continued to be honest.