we have now had more deaths from covid 19 than China!

[EricaNernie]

That is so shocking and awful.
remembering how impressed and worried we were about china building new hospitals almost overnight, and the lockdown
and now it is here.

@Thesispieces

www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-chinese-officials-lock-people-homes-ban-funerals-weddings-zhejiang-2020-2?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15861097986853&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fcoronavirus-chinese-officials-lock-people-homes-ban-funerals-weddings-zhejiang-2020-2

I've also read a couple of other accounts. One where the new apartment block had centrally controlled door and window locks so that they could tell if anyone left.

This has led to xenophobia around the world and a slippery slope
@Thesispieces

Actually, what this virus has led to around the world is a global cessation of economic activity. It has caused most of the planet's population to be put on some form of house arrest. The scenes from India are horrendous. There is an exodus from the cities as migrant workers attempt to return to their villages. The repercussions of this will dominate the globe for decades. People will die. Businesses will go bankrupt. Neither you, nor anyone else, has any right to silence discussion of how and why this virus started and spread by making baseless accusations. And I do not appreciate your attempts to do so.

There is some compelling evidence gathered by US intelligence to suggest that China has had at-least between 42-48,000 deaths due to cv and they have deliberately kept this quiet. Also If you look at numbers in other countries China’s figures don’t add up.

I feel from reading previous posts a weird sense of jealousy (because they’ve contained it) or is it contempt towards China. This has led to xenophobia around the world and a slippery slope

Acknowledging that the virus came from China & that information has very likely been suppressed is not xenophobic.

Do you think the countries that closed their borders against the WHOs advice were racist?

Is it my imagination or are there several threads more recently about China being to blame, lying about its data and how this isn't translating into xenophobia.

As a person of Chinese ethnicity, I have experienced first hand of this, my children have had school friends (apparently teasingly) say they to blame for this.

This is a good long read from an author who crunches the data. If China was lying about its data, the data sets wouldn't replicate around the world as it has done.

He has since written 2 more articles, the latest one about the US looks scarily accurate.

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
I don’t have personal experience or knowledge of people being sealed in their homes. I am not supporting that. It was not one of the measures implemented in my compound.
I know that doors were taped shut to ensure people did not break self isolation measures,(pink tape across door) but they would have been able to open the door.

Well, that is what I'm talking about - doors being taped shut. That's extreme measures by UK standards and not one that we would accept.

acknowledging that the virus came from China & that information has very likely been suppressed is not xenophobic

Furthermore, trying to silence discussion of how and why this global pandemic spread by making baseless accusations of xenophobia is manipulative and tactical

I reckon the Philippines will have an effective lockdown, their policy is shooting those that disobey.

Mocha yikes

mocha
Yes. There are draconian measures in place in many countries.

I agree @BovaryX

So @bovaryx - you're discounting my experiences and that of many like me in the U.K. and across the US?

I'm not trying to silence discussion but I see statements like

"Those wet markets are disgusting. They should ban them" and it's like a cultural attack on all of Asia.

Most countries in Asia have wet markets, it's how people buy their food.

And wildlife markets, I've seen them in Borneo where it's culturally normal

Banning wet markets in Asia would be like banning shoes indoors in the U.K. for all the dirt and bacteria brought in via the soles of shoes - it's disgusting but you can see there would be an outcry

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
Yes, it’s tough.
My dh is currently in a quarantine facility on day 9.

@Porseb

Do you have any comments about this Telegraph article on the concerted propaganda campaign being conducted by China on social media across the globe?
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/05/china-floods-facebook-instagram-undeclared-coronavirus-propaganda/

Yes @bovaryx - I looked up Xinhua Daily News on Facebook - then I looked at Facebook's Ad library to see what ads they were running.

They're promoting articles which are already on their Facebook page, I don't see anything particularly hidden or underhand about it.

It's public, not hidden - you. An check for yourself too

Bovary
You seem obsessed with this article.

@ShanghaiDiva
Because I have linked to it? You don't like me citing it? I think it's useful to know the level of social media manipulation which is happening. Always useful when considering different perspectives.

Not because you have linked to it, but because you keep asking posters to comment on it...

I checked Global Times Facebook ads and they're promoting videos and stories of a cute fluffy dog 🙄

@ShanghaiDiva

Nope. I asked two posters to comment on. Interesting responses in both cases....

China's current ban on eating & trading wildlife looks like it may become law, I hope so.

Is the ellipsis supposed to mean something?
Have you uncovered a giant conspiracy?

@ShanghaiDiva
You feel some compulsion to challenge the Telegraph article? How peculiar. I am not interested in engaging with you. Sorry.

Haven't rtft but if you believe China about anything you're a moron