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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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GatoradeMeBitch · 04/04/2020 16:17

I just went to get some cat food for my friend who can't go out. The supermarket is packed with people buying their essential icecreams and bbq stuff...

middleager · 04/04/2020 16:20

To me it seems like the graph is soaring up? What happened to the sir Patrick valance and his flattening the peak graph?

This is the question journalists need to ask at briefing.

TheStarryNight · 04/04/2020 16:29

How Iceland has turned into world’s largest experiment on Covid-19- and what it is teaching us

Iceland is adopting a dual strategy of both mitigation and containment, via partial closures and extensive testing.

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TheStarryNight · 04/04/2020 16:33

How Iceland turned into the world's biggest study of Covid-19 - and what it's teaching us
Mass testing has avoided lockdowns - but does this tiny island nation have all the answers?
By
Thor Fanndal
REYKJAVIK
4 April 2020 • 2:09pm

You would be forgiven for thinking the tiny island nation of Iceland is being ravaged by coronavirus.

Raw data shows the highest proportion of confirmed cases anywhere in the world - 1,300 among a population of 365,000.

But step outside into the bright spring sunshine and you won't see ghostly quiet streets and shuttered businesses like in Italy and Spain.

Instead the cafes, pubs and shops are doing a gentle trade, while schools remain open and travel is unhindered - even tourists are welcomed, the ones that manage to book a flight.

The reason behind the high numbers is the most aggressive Covid-19 testing regime anywhere in the world.

In proportion to population, Iceland has now screened five times as many as in South Korea - the poster country for a national Covid response - and 30 times as many as the UK has managed.

At the latest count 22,195 people had been tested - amounting to six per cent of the population. 1,364 have tested positive and four people have died.

With the results authorities are able to pursue aggressive quarantines for those with a higher statistical chance of infection, to slow the spread without a draconian nationwide shutdown.

Across the world, countries tend to have settled into two camps in fighting the virus: containment or mitigation, Thorolfur Gudnason, the government's chief epidemiologist, tells The Telegraph.

"It's like you would choose one or the other," he says. "Iceland is doing both."

Mr Gudnason's team of 60 police investigators and healthcare workers act as detectives on each confirmed case, tracking down those they have come in contact with.

Testing is carried out by The National Health Service on those showing symptoms. But on top of this, a biopharma company, deCODE Genetics, has been screening random samples of the population to build the world's most extensive study yet of how the virus behaves in a population.

Early results show 50 per cent of carriers of the virus are asymptomatic. It has also revealed up to 40 'mutations', or strains, of the disease.

“We can determine the geographic origin of the virus in every single [virus] in Iceland,” Kári Stefánsson, founder of deCODE says.

They claim to have traced strains back to Italy, Austria, the US, and seven cases in particular to one undisclosed football match in the UK.

Crucially, all the testing has meant Iceland has been able to avoid a lockdown or quarantine as cases are tracked, traced and isolated before spreading rapidly - thus alleviating pressure on the hospitals.

The data rolling in has meant authorities can "more accurately design methods" of controlling the virus, Mr Stefánsson says.

So far there is a government ban on gatherings of more than 20 people and light guidelines on social distancing.

The guidance is imposed not by force but by trust, Katrín Jakobsdottir, Iceland's prime minister, tells The Telegraph .

"Iceland has a history of socially liberal culture," she says. "That means acceptance of differences and minorities, but in this case, it means to trust, not to force. We have no tradition of militarism or an army. We ask for cooperation, rather than force it."

She adds that the science approach allows her to leave the virus policy "out of the battlefield of politics".

The limited guidelines means business is slow for most shops, but with few exceptions the country is open for business.

Icelanders can still get their morning coffee, sit down at local bookshops. Even stop at a local ice-cream parlour.

At Reykjavík Roasters, a small but popular independent cafe in Reykjavík's centre, customers trickle in despite the pandemic. The city's centre is unusually calm.

“Honestly, what I miss more than anything are the public pools” pensioner Auður Styrkásdóttir says apologetically, adding “this is a luxury.”

One of the main benefits of Iceland's system is the school programme has been largely unaffected.

Pre-schools, primary, and secondary schools have stayed open while higher education has moved online.

Some people have taken to social media asking why children's safety is perhaps taken less seriously than those of adult students.

Mr Gudnason points out that closing down institutions that serve children has a more significant social impact

"Our study suggests that children are less effective in spreading this virus than adults. We measure every decision with it's effectiveness and closing these institutions is unlikely to produce meaningful results at this time."

Part of Iceland's success story is it's readiness.

"We realised at the end of 2019 that we should prepare for a pandemic," Mr Gudnason says.

"Our emergency system is clear, it is efficient and importantly frequently in use. Be it storms, avalanches, volcanic eruptions or a pandemic the system is the same. Health authorities step into a well-oiled machine, highly trained infrastructure and years of experience in building communication channels and trust."

On Friday the head of Iceland's response, Víðir Reynisson, warned against drawing too much from the Iceland model, pointing out that the country's size, strong channels of communication and social cohesion helped.

"There are many factors that make things easier on us," he said.

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Zebracat · 04/04/2020 16:37

Snarky judgements about what people buy in the shops help no one. I am sure some people are shopping more frequently than others, they may have larger households or no car. What the fuck is wrong with having a bbq in your own garden? What the fuck is wrong with eating icecream. Who does it help if we sit around eating gruel?
We all, including children are in prison right now, trying to ensure some enjoyment in isolation is a good thing. Im not a rule breaker, haven’t been to a shop for about 3 weeks.But dh did the weeks shop yesterday and it included icecream. And I would have a bbq in the garden if we had one if it would bring some joy to my dc, that would suit me fine.

middleager · 04/04/2020 16:38

Wow.
I want to move to Iceland.

DarnedSocks · 04/04/2020 16:38

@GatoradeMeBitch one lot of neighbours are having a very loud party complete with shit music and friends round. Several other neighbours are out in their front gardens (they have back gardens so no need). The adults are chatting, drinking, and smoking together, the kids are playing together. Cars coming and going, someone down the road is painting his (only done a year ago) garage doors. I don't think any of them know the meaning of lockdown.

Thanks to people like that we won't see a flattening of the curve, they'll be more unnecessary deaths, and to save lives all of us will end up totally confined indoors with no daily walk at all.

byebyebeautiful · 04/04/2020 16:47

The supermarket is packed with people buying their essential icecreams and bbq stuff

Hope you grassed on them.

Miserable fecker.

woodencoffeetable · 04/04/2020 17:00

agree with zebracat a bbq is not 'essential' but it's something that gives some people joy in their own home/garden.

WhyNotMe40 · 04/04/2020 17:01

Group gathering for a BBQ is obviously not on. But what's wrong with someone painting their garage door?

MarshaBradyo · 04/04/2020 17:07

A bbq with family at home is fine. Better than out and about anyway.

refraction · 04/04/2020 17:07

Where is this lovely weather they keep harping on about?

Overcast here.

refraction · 04/04/2020 17:09

The supermarket is packed with people buying their essential icecreams and bbq stuff

Hope you were just buying your Huel or gruel and no drinks there's water in the tap.

MarshaBradyo · 04/04/2020 17:09

Here Refraction London. Hope you get it soon.
20 tomorrow apparently

refraction · 04/04/2020 17:12

Marsha probably not. Grim up North.

sadpapercourtesan · 04/04/2020 17:13

Is there a press conference today?

DarnedSocks · 04/04/2020 17:13

Yes actually fair enough. Garage door isn't an issue. The party though. They've just had another carload arrive. They seem quite nice as neighbours go usually. They just don't seem to understand what lockdown means. They also have terrible taste in music.

picklemewalnuts · 04/04/2020 17:14

I've painted my doors, with paint I've had in for ages and not got round to using. Sometimes procrastination pays off...

NoWordForFluffy · 04/04/2020 17:14

The press conference was at 4pm.

And we're in the NW; it's forecast nice tomorrow.

sadpapercourtesan · 04/04/2020 17:16

Oh bugger, why can't they just do it at the same time every day Angry

Did I miss anything of substance?

NoWordForFluffy · 04/04/2020 17:19

I didn't watch it; I had a push notification from the BBC telling me it was on. It was Gove, so I doubt anything true was said.

TheStarryNight · 04/04/2020 17:23

The oddest things bring it home to you.

There’s a local cat who comes into our garden sometimes. Very friendly and likes a clappie (being stroked). There was a time we took him in when he’d hurt his paw til our neighbour could phone his owner (their daughters go to school together).

Last couple of weeks he’s been turning up with ticks on him, trying to get in the house a lot. Last time we popped to the local vet with him who took the tick off.

He turned up again today with a tick and now the vet is shut. So DH went to talk to the neighbour at a safe distance, so she could phone owners.

Turns out the have separated and moved, in a hurry before lockdown.

The cat has been trying to get in lots of people’s houses nearby- going in through windows and skylights.

I was so angry and sad at the same time. And burst into tears about the poor cat just being forgotten and left behind.

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mrshoho · 04/04/2020 17:28

poor cat Sad Do you think someone will take him in? I know our RSPCA are really busy with cats and kittens and there seems to be more posts about stray/lost dogs roaming.

pocketem · 04/04/2020 17:32

Carrie Symonds confirms she has coronavirus. Must be so worrying if you are pregnant. Very sad

TheStarryNight · 04/04/2020 17:40

Thanks mrshoho. We will, at least for the time being. We’ll think about the longer term later on.

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