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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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istherelifeafter40 · 07/04/2020 14:58

I am not sure we have any meaningful data yet on transmission between children and from children to adults. Literally all countries closed schools, and some countries have quarantine facilities which means people with symptoms don't stay in their family homes. On the other hand, anecdotally, a friend's 8 year old has viral pneumonia. My friend says it is rife in their primary, and - guess what - my friend now also has shortness of breath after a week of fever. In her DD's primary tonnes of kids and parents are affected. A firiend's 2 year old had to be admitted to ICU. I don't buy this "no transmission btw children or from children to adults" for one second.

istherelifeafter40 · 07/04/2020 14:59

And frankly I am amazed how many people are prepared to play the lottery with their children health. Not to mention all the other people the children come into contact with. Also bear in mind that a large amount of secondary school children travel to school on public transport, sometimes quite far.

Number12 · 07/04/2020 15:15

OMG today's numbers. Just devastating.

Number12 · 07/04/2020 15:17

I don't understand how people can even be thinking about schools reopening yet.... Wasn't todays number of deaths our highest yet. Just huge. Where's crunchy carrot and her trusty spread sheet :-) I must take a photo of it.

Random18 · 07/04/2020 15:20

refraction that study is quite frankly shit.

It is not based in fact at all.

I wonder who has paid for it? It has got so much wrong.

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2020 15:20

I agree re not understanding people wanting to play lottery with children’s health. Not on this thread but many others.

refraction · 07/04/2020 15:25

Random agree. How are they predicting us 3x Italy?Confused

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 07/04/2020 15:38

Thanks @Choux

Noideareally2 · 07/04/2020 15:40

I had someone on a work call today complain that people who could work are choosing not to work. They meant people who are not key workers, view was they should keep turning up to keep the business they work for afloat. But I can see how people who are terrified for themselves and their families, are not going to make that choice. Should they take the risk of sacrificing themselves, their families, for a business because the business might otherwise go under? My colleague thinks yes. I don't see why a sane person would make that choice.

CrunchyCarrot · 07/04/2020 16:24

Today's numbers: an increase of 786 deaths on yesterday's total, to give a total death number of 6,159. That figure is only for people who died in hospital, it doesn't include deaths from Covid-19 that occurred elsewhere (e.g. nursing homes).

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sadpapercourtesan · 07/04/2020 16:26

I'm confused - earlier people were saying 854 today, now BBC are saying 786? Which is it? Confused

CrunchyCarrot · 07/04/2020 16:26

Also this is worth a watch, Dr John Campbell on the latest ICNARC figures from intensive care. 17 mins long.

Interesting that the median age for intensive care patients with Covid-19 is 61. Certainly shows there are many younger patients seriously ill than was previously thought would happen.

bumblingbovine49 · 07/04/2020 16:29

New WHO guidance on masks
So they haven't effectively changed their advice really, that is interesting

I still don't really understand some of the reasons:

the following potential risks should be carefully
taken into account in any decision-making process:

• self-contamination that can occur by touching and
reusing contaminated mask

I have never understood this reason. If I am wearing a mask and it gets contaminated on the outside, of course there is the risk that I won't take it off properly and might contaminate myself but frankly if the CV virus is on the outside of my mask, it would have been inside my mouth if I hadn't been wearing the mask. I'd rather take the risk of contaminating myself from removing the mask than the certainty of the virus being inside my mouth !!
I understand that the risk of getting the virus on my mask is very small in a community setting so that is maybe a reason why masks are not needed but not the one given above.

depending on type of mask used, potential breathing
difficulties

Fair enough but not an issue with surgical masks

false sense of security, leading to potentially less
adherence to other preventive measures such as physical
distancing and hand hygiene

This I agree is an issue but could be mitigated with education campaigns, like the 'wash your hands for 20 seconds one'

diversion of mask supplies and consequent shortage of
mask for health care workers

This is a real one I think, though it is to do with lack of resources, rather than effectiveness of masks and we could ask people to make their own
diversion of resources from effective public health
measures, such as hand hygiene

This I understand though again, it is more to do with lack of resources than the effectiveness of masks

Randomschoolworker19 · 07/04/2020 16:40

Masks are effective but no one is going to tell you to wear one while there are massive shortages of PPE as this would only increase further shortages.

You must take responsibility for yourself and not rely on the government.

I personally wear one and have been doing so for some time.

YangShanPo · 07/04/2020 16:43

I think the 854 is for the whole UK and the 786 was for England only?

sadpapercourtesan · 07/04/2020 16:45

BBC and Worldometer both giving the 786 figure for the whole UK Confused

DarnedSocks · 07/04/2020 16:48

Masks are effective but no one is going to tell you to wear one while there are massive shortages of PPE
This.

YangShanPo · 07/04/2020 16:51

Sounds like there may be some confusion about the way it is counted www.thesun.co.uk/news/11345450/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-cases-record/

ConfusedDotty · 07/04/2020 17:06

This is copied from Sky News

Another 786 patients have died in the UK after contracting the coronavirus - bringing the total to 6,159.

The figures have been released by the Department of Health and count all deaths reported up until 5pm on Monday 6 April.

Each individual nation reported their own number of deaths:

758 in England - bringing the total from 5,373 to 6.159
74 in Scotland - a rise from 222 to 296
19 in Wales - up from 193 to 212
Three in Northern Ireland - an increase from 70 to 73

How do the figures work?

DarnedSocks · 07/04/2020 17:09

@Mrshoho that's extremely disturbing. A poster on another thread some days ago said the only flights still going were freight, military, and medical. And yes, the London mayor has cut services meaning very crowded tubes. Many healthcare workers can't afford to live anywhere close to the hospital they work in. Same goes for the other keyworkers. Londoners certainly aren't being protected.

I wonder why the media has started putting out anti lockdown articles? Could it be because many national media journalists are safely in their second homes away from the danger zone?

I hope the exit strategy considers the promising results coming from the clinical trials. Remdesivir as much as the antimalarials. Nothing conclusive but a definite hope. For those deterred by the association with Trump. Other countries started trialling these drugs weeks before be mentioned them. And there's no money in the cheap out of patent antimalarials. Remdesivir, as a new drug, yes will be expensive, but then so might a vaccine.

istherelifeafter40 · 07/04/2020 17:35

Weeks ago I was reading Lancet-published early articles by Chinese doctors; they were listing all treatments they gave to their patients. There were tables indicating who received what, how many of those died etc. [I am not a doctor!] Remdesivir was already there, it is not just being used now. As far as I remember, people died with it as often as without it...

LilacTree1 · 07/04/2020 17:38

“ Londoners certainly aren't being protected.”

I’ve just returned from shopping, having managed to avoid it all this time.

Social distancing in the shop was impossible - I do pick the smallest one.

Everyone was nice as pie, and I’m in the category of “not worried” but further lockdown would be horrendous for us.

I put as much shopping as I could into my tiny fridge and tiny freezer in my tiny flat....I’m really hoping the anti lockdown thing takes off. The key workers in my block are taking more germs out because of the way public transport is.

DarnedSocks · 07/04/2020 17:41

I'll have a look for that Lancet article, thanks for mentioning istherelife That's a shame if it didn't work. Let's hope one of the others does. It could be so much quicker than a vaccine.