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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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WhyNotMe40 · 06/04/2020 15:05

Murray, I really wish I could help in some way. What you are doing is truly heroic.

Personally I don't find having a sick man in charge of a country in the grip of a pandemic remotely reassuring. He's not well and should not be making any decisions above what to eat and drink that day. Nobody makes good decisions while running a temperature and poorly enough to be in hospital! Ffs

CricketCrocket · 06/04/2020 15:09

I’ve just been out for the first time in ages as I had to take supplies to my parents (they’re at risk so not going out anywhere). I had to take my daughter with me as she’s too young to stay at home alone.

On the walk home we came round a bend and couldn’t see anyone coming but then two teens were walking quickly towards us. I tried to go into a driveway with dd but couldn’t as there wasn’t enough room by the car.

One of the teens stepped into the road and definitely had 2m between us but the other teen just moved to the curb and I think there was only 1-1.5m between us.

How likely is it that he could have passed it onto us if he had it? I know I sound mad but I’m really worried now.

HeIenaDove · 06/04/2020 15:11

@Bornfreebutincovidchains Is there a way that your cousin can blow the whistle annonymously because thats horrific.

On another thread there are people full of sympathy for Boris. My sympathy is with the NHS workers and the care workers like your cousin and @MurrayTheMonk who are at risk and are basically being treated like cannon fodder.

Your cousin is worried about being in/ leaving a job simultaneously The former puts her at risk. The latter could leave her destitute.

Boris doesnt face that choice.

woodencoffeetable · 06/04/2020 15:11

How likely is it that he could have passed it onto us if he had it? I know I sound mad but I’m really worried now.

unless the person coughed/sneezed/talked loudly - very very unlikely.

CricketCrocket · 06/04/2020 15:23

woodencoffeetable Thank you. I didn’t realise how much this has mentally affected me. I’ve still got adrenaline running through me now. I can see a lot of people not wanting to leave the house when restrictions are lifted!

MurrayTheMonk You are amazing Flowers

MurrayTheMonk · 06/04/2020 15:27

Yes-chances are you'll be fine Cricket-honestly...

MurrayTheMonk · 06/04/2020 15:28

It's really panicking inducing the first time you go out after two weeks in! I was a bag of nerves when I went within half a mile of anyone...

LadyEloise · 06/04/2020 15:54

I see on Sky News that 10 people working on public transport in London have died.
When you add that to the numbers of front line health workers dying it is so sad and scary.
I just think there's more to this virus than officials are saying.

Petiolaris · 06/04/2020 16:19

I don’t think it’s racist to say that the numbers from India are probably inaccurate and are likely to be higher due to overcrowding and poverty. It’s a known fact that India has slums and shanty towns - in Mumbai 1 million people are crammed into the biggest slum in the country. And it’s not racist to acknowledge that there is generally poor access to healthcare and not much testing. The BBC has reported that India has one of the lowest testing rates in the world. Imo this is why the numbers are low - because many people don’t have access to healthcare and probably aren’t reporting their symptoms or getting tested.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-india-51922204

CrunchyCarrot · 06/04/2020 16:43

Today's deaths - an increase of 551 up to a total of 5,373.

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SansaSnark · 06/04/2020 16:50

@crunchycarrot All the April numbers so far seem to suggest we're tracking higher than Italy now, which is very concerning.

For anyone who's interested, this is a nice, readable article about how/why the coronavirus causes the damage to the body that it does (in some cases). neurosciencenews.com/coronavirus-deadly-body-16080/

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 17:03

t.co/Im4C2xRZXv?amp=1
ICNARC Case Mix Programme Database

This is a clinical audit of patient outcomes

Check out the outcomes for the 50 - 69 age group and admission to ICU....

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 17:14

Good to hear Chris Whitty back at the briefing

SansaSnark · 06/04/2020 17:23

I haven't always been a fan of Chris Whitty especially in the early days, but I think he's doing really well today.

Not sure why so many of these reporters think we are approaching the peak very soon.

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 17:30

Fionna O'Leary
Hospitals face pump & dialysis machine shortages, leaked memo warns | Financial Times

The memo, signed by c 80 physicians highlights not just equipment shortages but the difficulties of lack of staff in ICU.

Physicians too learning as they go
Ft link

Whilst we hear a lot about respiratory disease COVID attacks more than lungs

High kidney failure rate.

He complains about non clinical staff refusing to enter ICU.

Are they given adequate protective equipment? And training?

He flags that too early use of ventilators could be detrimental (hence the use of CPAP and oxygenation treatments). Chinese physicians also noticed that patients who they would normally have intubated did Ok on oxygenation.

The memo also flags the need to be able to stop and really reflect on the data and outcomes to formulate best practise from this new situation.

It must be overwhelming having to deal with an incoming Tsunami of seriously sick patients & barely time to pause for breath & reflect.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 17:30

I’m so pleased he didn’t answer the personal health question re PM. He wouldn’t as it’s private between Dr / patient but his answer was comforting.

SansaSnark · 06/04/2020 17:33

I agree- I also thought it was a bit of a silly question. There's no way any doctor could say that someone is at 0 risk of pneumonia.

Delatron · 06/04/2020 17:34

He handled the questions so well. The question about pneumonia was ridiculous.

HeIenaDove · 06/04/2020 17:34

They were living in places with shared bathrooms Coronavirus shining another light on housing policy and managed decline of estates.

Homeless families to be moved into blocks with systemic safety issues due to coronavirus

NEWS
06/04/20
5:00 PM
BY PETER APPS

Southwark Council has moved homeless families into empty homes in an estate which requires major work to make it safe from fire or collapse, as it seeks to find self-contained homes during the coronavirus outbreak

The four towers which make up the Ledbury Estate in south London have many empty flats, as they await either major strengthening works or demolition due to serious construction defects.

The towers were built using the ’large panel system’ construction method, which became notorious after the partial collapse of Ronan Point in Newham in the 1960s.

But Southwark is now moving families who were living in temporary accommodation with shared bathrooms and kitchens into 60 empty flats in the towers, to allow them to self-isolate during the coronavirus outbreak.

A spokesperson for the London borough said "extra safety measures" had been agreed with the fire service to ensure the blocks are safe to occupy.

According to the most recent statistics, Southwark has 2,731 households in temporary accommodation, including 1,99 families with children - the sixth highest figure in the country. Providing safe accommodation to these families has been a major challenge for councils during the coronavirus outbreak, with many hotels closing their doors
The Ledbury Estate has been in the spotlight since the Grenfell Tower disaster, with residents raising concerns over large cracks in the walls in summer 2017.

In October, a report by engineering consultancy Arup said the towers “do not comply with the requirements for resistance against disproportionate collapse” while the floor panels do not meet gravity loading requirements. There are also concerns about wind resistance.

It recommended remediation works, including a frame of steel columns and beams built inside the flats from the eighth to the 13th floors, held together by a new structure on the roof or demolition.

These options had been due to be subject to a resident ballot in the coming weeks, but this has now been delayed due to the outbreak of coronavirus with the works put on hold

In anticipation of the remediation works, the council has not been placing new residents into the towers, with residents being offered rehousing throughout the borough and the council buying back homes from leaseholders.

One of the towers on the estate is entirely unoccupied and of the remaining three, only 45 of the existing 168 flats are occupied.

The new safety measures are understood to include a 24-hour waking watch, an integrated fire alarm and work to fill up cracks which could have allowed fires to spread.

Kieron Williams, cabinet member for housing management and modernisation, said: “We‘re working very hard to make sure everyone in Southwark has a safe home during this emergency. We moved very quickly in March to offer all rough sleepers self-contained accommodation. Our next priority has been to help families living in accommodation with shared kitchens or bathrooms into self-contained homes so they can safely self-isolate. We’ve already identified 200 properties in the borough for them to move into, including 60 on the Ledbury estate
The homes on the Ledbury are all in blocks people are already living in, but in flats that residents have moved out of ahead of the planned refurbishment or rebuild of the block. They are free to use because the final plans for the four towers on the estate have now been delayed. They were due to be agreed through a ballot of residents in a few weeks’ time but due to the coronavirus that has been put back.

“In the meantime, they are really good-sized homes for families who urgently need them. Whilst there are long-term issue issues with the blocks, that the refurbishment or rebuild will address, we have extra measures in place that we have agreed with the fire service to ensure they are safe for all residents. We are in constant conversation with the permanent tenants and residents of Ledbury, who understand that in an emergency, the empty properties on the estate provide a safe and comfortable temporary home for these families.

It is understood residents will be offered a verbal safety briefing as well as safety information packs when they move in.

Tower block safety campaigners Tower Blocks UK has produced a separate guide to the safe occupation of the buildings, which they intend to distribute to the new residents. It includes the advice that it is "vitall important" not to bring bottled gas into the building due to the risk of explosion which could trigger a collapse.

Danielle Gregory, a member of the group and a co-founder of the Ledbury Action Group, said: "Whilst we understand the urgency, we feel that Southwark should be exploring safer alternatives first, before moving families into flats that fail to meet the regulations for structural and fire safety."

The Ledbury Estate was built in 1968-70 using the Taylor Woodrow Anglian large panel system.

It is the same system as Ronan Point, in Newham, east London, which suffered a partial collapse following a gas explosion in May 1968, killing four. The block, which had only recently been completed, was only partially occupied at the time of the disaster.

Since Grenfell, flaws have been identified at a range of large panel system blocks around the country with many listed for demolition as a result

Ladyellow · 06/04/2020 18:14

Confused from the briefing it says “A total of 17,911 people have been admitted to hospital in the UK with coronavirus symptoms” which is a third of total cases... but I thought we only tested hospital cases after the first few hundred? So this doesn’t make sense? Or are there lots that get tested in A&E but don’t need admission. That number explains why the Nightingale isn’t need yet I guess? I thought that all of the numbers were in hospital or at least had been?

Kmxxx14 · 06/04/2020 18:50

I heard on the news today that’s Scotland’s deaths for the past 24 hours was 2 although to expect this to have an increase over the coming days due to a difference In how they are recording deaths. Why can’t they all just be consistent.

SansaSnark · 06/04/2020 19:13

I think we were testing more widely for more than the first few hundred cases, and some NHS workers are now being tested, but there does seem to be quite a big discrepancy in the figures there.

mrshoho · 06/04/2020 19:38

twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1247185093648699393?s=09

There was this update to say there has been a change in the reporting of testing. I'm so confused though by all the different numbers!

mrshoho · 06/04/2020 19:45

Helena Those poor families facing the prospect of being housed in those blocks. I know the authorities can't just magic up accommodation but those blocks were previously condemned! I sincerely hope the fire service will not sign off on this unless they are confident of the family's safety.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 19:46

Today I heard on R4 of you are furloughed you can seek temporary work. Thought that interesting

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