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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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TwentyViginti · 06/04/2020 10:46

Transmitted TO cats, not FROM cats, but the effect will be the same - cat culls. First telephone masts now......

TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 10:49

British Veterinary Association Corona Virus updates

Our advice for pet owners diagnosed with Covid-19 is:

-Restrict contact with pets as a precautionary animal health measure until more information is known about the virus.
-If your pet requires care, wash your hands before and after any interaction with them and wear a face mask if possible.
-Keep cats indoors if possible and try to arrange for someone else to exercise dogs, taking care to restrict any contact with the person walking your dog and making sure they practice good hygiene.
-This is to reduce the likelihood of your pet spreading the disease through environmental contamination on their fur – there is no evidence that pet animals play a role in the spread of the disease.
-If your pet shows clinical signs, please do not take it to the vet but call the practice for advice.
-If your pet requires emergency treatment, call the practice for further advice. Do not take your pet to the surgery unless the vet instructs you to. You may need to arrange for someone else to transport your pet for treatment.

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BeyondMymymymyCorona · 06/04/2020 10:50

I've had a bad chest for weeks. Tightness and short of breath, since when Covid was only new news in the uk. No temperature and very minimal cough, so I always assumed it was my asthma. I have inflammatory arthritis so joint pain and tiredness are always there, and were no worse.

Be very nice to find I've already had it and it just didn't affect me at all. I can but hope!

Had severe chest pain last night and didn't call for advice (I know chest pain can usually flag an alarm for immediate ambulance) as I was adamant I wasn't going to hospital. Be especially stupid if I've already had CV! (fwiw, I think it's pericarditis)

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TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 10:56

Can cats really get or pass on COVID-19, as a report from Belgium suggests?

Should we be concerned about the coronavirus spreading to cats? Not yet, says Dr Sarah Caddy in this article for The Conversation, even after a concerning report from Belgium.

After reports of two dogs testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 in Hong Kong, the most recent news to cause alarm among animal owners is that of a cat in Belgium with apparent symptoms of the virus that causes COVID-19.

The owner of the cat had recently tested positive for the virus. It is reported that the cat developed breathing difficulties and diarrhoea one week later. Vets at the University of Liège, Belgium then tested the cat for SARS-CoV-2 and subsequently detected the viral genome in vomit and a stool sample.

Should we now be concerned about the virus spreading to cats? To be succinct – not yet. Several key questions need to be answered before any conclusions can be drawn from this case.

Many people are asking if the coronavirus detected in the cat really is SARS-CoV-2 or whether it could be the completely different cat-only coronavirus, which has been infecting cats worldwide for decades. The feline coronavirus exists in two forms: one causes mild gastrointestinal disease and the other causes a highly fatal disease known as feline infectious peritonitis (FIP).

Feline coronaviruses look very different to SARS-CoV-2 at the genetic level. This means that as long as the correct test was run for the cat in question, it should be easy to differentiate between the two viruses.

The standard test for SARS-CoV-2 only detects the viral genome. It is very important to bear in mind that this test does not detect infectious or “live” virus particles, so it is impossible to tell whether the viral genome found in the cat was from a particle that could replicate. To demonstrate infectivity, many more tests are needed. It is possible that the cat ate contaminated food and the virus simply passed through its gut. This explanation is less likely if large quantities of genetic material were detected in the cat, but this data has not been released.

Whereas the two canine SARS-CoV-2 cases had no obvious clinical signs relating to COVID-9, the cat at the centre of the latest media attention did have respiratory symptoms. But as every vet knows, cats can have breathing difficulties for many reasons, from feline asthma to heart disease. Similarly, there is a long list of causes of diarrhoea in cats. Without knowing any clinical details of this case, we can’t tell whether COVID-19 was responsible for the disease or if this was just an upsetting coincidence.

Thankfully, there is still zero evidence of pets transmitting the virus to humans. It is also reassuring that a large veterinary diagnostic lab recently stated they have now tested thousands of cat and dog samples for SARS-CoV-2 with no positive cases. Also, given that as of March 30 there are over 720,000 human cases worldwide, it is safe to assume that if this virus readily caused disease in pets, we would know by now.

Sarah L Caddy, Clinical Research Fellow in Viral Immunology and Veterinary Surgeon, University of Cambridge

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 11:02

Many know this but a friend sent this twitter thread which is very good. A good explanation of how viruses spread which is easy to read.

mobile.twitter.com/PeterKolchinsky/status/1246975275021348865

‘So SARS-1 was a comparatively dumb virus. It went straight for the lungs, announced itself before it could spread to others, and so got social distanced into extinction. But SAR-2, the one plaguing us now, is stealthier, spreading first before revealing itself (and causing harm).’

HarrietOh · 06/04/2020 11:22

@middleager the Oxford Study states you won't find out your results as they will not be identifiable.

pocketem · 06/04/2020 11:44

New CAGE study suggests that people aged 20-30 should be allowed out of lockdown and to return to work (as long as they don't live with their parents) as they are at such low risk

warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/manage/publications/policy_briefing_oswald__powdthavee.pdf

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middleager · 06/04/2020 11:47

Harriet thanks.
Would have been good to know, but either way I will do it if they want me, to help with the data.

Wehttam · 06/04/2020 11:48

pocket I wonder how this would work out though, especially if you work in retail for expample or the service industry in general. People can’t go back to work if everyone else is locked down it’s a mute argument imo

Wehttam · 06/04/2020 11:51

The point early on 3/9 about how this group may become troublesome if lockdown is prolonged is interesting.

CrunchyCarrot · 06/04/2020 11:57

It's worrying about cats (or pets in general). We have a cat that we 'share' with neighbours. She doesn't belong to us, they basically don't believe in feeding her and she was starving (she can hunt for food, is their justification, which she does, thereby decimating the local wildlife population whilst still being horribly underfed). So we decided to put food out for her several months ago. That has escalated into her coming into our house (saves her food getting stolen by other cats) and she's become socialised and is a little sweetie. She spends at least half her time here. I don't know how much time she spends with her 'owners', if one can even call them that. They don't even have a cat flap.

If I or my DP get Covid-19 then we will prevent her coming in (which will be sad! But in the light of this news, essential). However who knows what our neighbours might do. Hmm

mrshoho · 06/04/2020 11:59

Very troubling how quickly this dear young man died after finishing his shift.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 12:05

Pocket that is interesting, wonder if they’ll go for it.

Skittlesss · 06/04/2020 12:11

I do think that, once lockdown is ended, we should have a slow release back into normality, as opposed to just letting everyone go back out etc.

VictoriaBun · 06/04/2020 12:13

Back in December myself and dh had ' flu '( I'd had my jab )
both lost sense of smell and taste. I woke up one night not able to breathe , thinking I'd have to get dh to phone for help .
It took us 3:weeks to begin to feel ok again . Also our cat who is never I'll became ill ,eyes running, lethargic , not really eating. We had to take her to the vets where she was given medication, took her awhile to get over it. I'm still at bit ??? whether we might have had it.

buttermilkwaffles · 06/04/2020 12:15

Austria first EU country to announce easing of lockdown restrictions, more details here:
mobile.twitter.com/juliaoftoronto/status/1247108000327876608

TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 12:24

@pocketem So would those 20-30, not living with parents be expected to be able to work/exit lockdown? Or would it be a voluntary choice?

If it’s not voluntary, this could just be seen as using the young as, well, cannon fodder. And that yet again, younger people are not afforded the economic protections that older people are given. So inter-generational economic and social injustice.

It would mean at age 31, you are given most of your salary not to work and allowed to stay safer at home. But at age 29, it’s the frontline for you. It’s a bit like the trenches in WWI- over the top for you lads and into no man’s land.

There is a reduced risk for that age group but there is not no risk. Especially when people may have unrecognized pre-existing conditions e.g they are as yet undiagnosed or it’s a condition not yet recognized as a risk.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 12:34

From a ‘narrative’ perspective it’s very interesting to think about how people would feel to be in or out of that group. How we feel about lockdown (how dare they tell us what to do) can turn to how can they use us?

Not everyone but you see themes emerging.
Psychologically it’s quite interesting.

Wehttam · 06/04/2020 12:37

All I can think of is thank god im old enough to not be in it, I’m happy to stay at home thanks for as long as it takes.

TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 12:40

Also, maybe people aged 20-30 aren’t a homogenous group. Some may be angry at being cooped up, others might not be. Some may be angry not to be protected, others might not.

What might well annoy some, regardless of what they actually think about lockdown, is being treated differently from everyone else in society based solely on age.

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Wehttam · 06/04/2020 12:40

Marsha I expect a lot in that age group would rather stay fit and healthy and not take the risk regardless of how low risk statistics claim they are right now.

The narrative is interesting, as you say.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 12:47

Yes it’s being treated differently that seems to make people annoyed, natural I suppose.

Also I think we have a tendency to rail against being told we have to do something and losing the choice which ever way it goes.

And it will be really mixed like it is now so you see threads with people railing against lock down and school closure but another load of threads saying close the schools (when they hadn’t).

Personally I wouldn’t feel happy about feeling like age group related fodder. But then you get the other end of spectrum with people upset their parents won’t listen and stay in.

As we’re in a corner I think you have to just do whatever might work though.

middleager · 06/04/2020 12:48

I do think that, once lockdown is ended, we should have a slow release back into normality, as opposed to just letting everyone go back out etc.

Sensible. There's a story today seeing huge swathes of Chinese tourists flocking to a tourist mountain destination - they've had to close off the attraction.

Look at the numbers of people shoulder to shoulder!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8191087/Thousands-Chinese-tourists-stuck-jam-packed-tourist-attraction-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

sadpapercourtesan · 06/04/2020 12:49

Did anyone catch Scotland's numbers today? I turned on mid-way through the press conference

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