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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 08:16

Steven Swinford @steven_swinford
Boris Johnson will stay in hospital for ‘as long as he needs to’, Robert Jenrick says

Asked if the PM will spend another night in hospital, he says he will ‘take the advice’ of doctors

‘He has worked incredibly hard. For him it will be frustrating he has had to go to hospital’

CrunchyCarrot · 06/04/2020 08:27

Gosh, lots of news this morning to get one's teeth into! Boris - well I am no fan of his and have precious little sympathy for the man, considering his lax attitude. However that's not the same as wishing him ill. I did think perhaps he'll see from the other side what it's like behind the scenes, but then he is in a position of privilege and likely won't see that at all. When they say 'he has worked incredibly hard', well it's hardly on a par with the hard work of doctors and nurses, is it!

The infected tiger. Very interesting (and not good for the stupid who will kick their animals out fearing they will catch it from them!).

The hospital ship moored off New York. Have they learned nothing about the spread of this virus and ships???

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 08:31

This is utterly fascinating.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/opinion/coronavirus-google-searches.html#click=t.co/1M9gjNLnuO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/opinion/coronavirus-google-searches.html#click=t.co/1M9gjNLnuO

Google Searches Can Help Us Find Emerging Covid-19 Outbreaks
They can also reveal symptoms that at first went undetected. I may have found a new one.
Mr. Stephens-Davidowitz is the author of “Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are.”

Every day, millions of people around the world type their health symptoms into Google. We can use these searches to help detect unknown Covid-19 outbreaks, particularly in parts of the world with poor testing infrastructure.

To see the potential information lying in plain sight in Google data, consider searches for “I can’t smell.” There is now strong evidence that anosmia, or loss of smell, is a symptom of Covid-19, with some estimates suggesting that 30-60 percent of people with the disease experience this symptom. In the United States, in the week ending this past Saturday, searches for “I can’t smell” were highest in New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Michigan — four of the states with the highest prevalence of Covid-19. In fact, searches related to loss of smell during this period almost perfectly matched state-level disease prevalence rates, as the accompanying chart shows.

Google searches for the phrase “loss of smell” align closely with the number of positive cases of coronavirus. The inability to smell could be an early warning sign that someone is infected.

Vasileios Lampos, a computer scientist at University College London, and other researchers have found that a bevy of symptom-related searches — loss of smell as well as fever and shortness of breath — have tracked outbreaks around the world.

Because these searches correlate so strongly with disease prevalence rates in parts of the world with reasonably good testing, we can use these searches to try to find places where many positive cases are likely to have been missed.

Consider Ecuador. The official data says that while Ecuador has among the highest rates of Covid-19 cases per capita in South America, it has a lower case rate than the United States, Canada, Australia, Iran and most of Europe.

At the same time, Ecuadoreans are now making more searches related to loss of smell than any other country in the world, once you adjust for total Google searches. Searches for “no puedo oler” (“I can’t smell”) are some 10 times higher per Google search in Ecuador than they are in Spain, even though Ecuador officially reports more than ten times fewer Covid-19 cases per capita than Spain does. Ecuadoreans are also right near the top in searches for fever, chills and diarrhea.

The search data, in other words, suggests that Ecuador may be even more of a Covid-19 epicenter than the official data says. That could help explain recent videos that have been shared on social media of bodies piled up on the street in Guayaquil, a port city in Ecuador.

While there does seem to be important information about Covid-19 prevalence in search data, we have to use great care in building models based on this data and learn from past attempts that tried to use this data to measure the geographic spread of different diseases.

In a 2009 paper that was published in Nature, researchers famously showed that Google searches related to the flu had been closely tracking weekly data on influenza rates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Researchers used these search terms to build a model to try to help detect epidemics before the official data was collated.

Although the model did work initially, it struggled during the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic. The problem was that flu was in the news so often, many people were searching for flu not because they were feeling symptoms but because they were feeling curiosity or fear. Concern about flu and Google searches about flu were more in the air than actual flu.

Recently, scholars have produced new methods to improve Google-based disease prevalence modeling and helped revive the influenza-tracking project. They have found that it is crucial to key in on the types of searches that are most likely to be reports of symptoms rather than searches related to news.

These tools are being used right now by researchers studying how searches might track Covid-19. Searches like “I can’t smell” are particularly useful because the form of the query suggests that someone may have the disease, whereas other queries related to loss of smell may instead suggest curiosity in the topic.

There is another way we can use search data during this pandemic: to better understand symptom patterns of the disease. Our understanding of the progression of symptoms of the disease is still developing. It took until March 20 for widespread reports of the relationship between Covid-19 and loss of smell to surface, even though it now appears to be among the most common symptoms.

There is already some evidence that clues to this symptom were evident earlier in search data. Joshua Gans, a professor at the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto, found that searches for “non sento odori” (“I can’t smell”) were elevated in Italy days before the symptom was reported in the news. Iran also saw an enormous rise in searches related to loss of smell weeks before media reports of the symptom became common.

Searches for “non sento odori” (“I can’t smell”) spiked in Italy as the coronavirus outbreak spread — but before a report was released identifying the possible symptom.

This would not have been the first time symptom patterns were evident in search query patterns before they were fully recognized by the medical community. In 2016, researchers reported that subtle patterns of searches for symptoms could predict future pancreatic cancer patients. If a person searched for indigestion and later abdominal pain, for example, they were at risk of later searching “just diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.” Many of the precise timing patterns of symptoms leading to pancreatic cancer diagnoses were not previously understood.

I have spent the past decade as a data scientist studying how Google searches and other digital data sources can help us measure a range of social and behavioral outcomes. While I am not a medical expert, I was motivated by Professor Gans and others to explore whether Google searches might give clues of symptoms of Covid-19 that have not yet been officially reported. I think I have found a candidate symptom that might come with the disease for at least a small fraction of patients.

First, I downloaded state-level Google search data in the previous week for dozens of symptoms I gathered from medicinenet.com. Next, I measured which searches were most related to a state’s disease prevalence rate. In other words, I explored the question of which symptoms are now being searched in unusually high numbers in states with unusually high rates of Covid-19.

The three searches most related to Covid-19 disease rates were not a surprise: loss of smell, fever and chills. The fifth and sixth searches weren’t much of a surprise either: nasal congestion and diarrhea, which have also received a lot of attention as Covid-19 symptoms.

However, the fourth-place search was a surprise: eye pain, which has not garnered much attention as a possible symptom of the disease. Searches for “my eyes hurt” over the previous week were highest in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Louisiana and Michigan. Such searches seem to have risen in the past two weeks almost exclusively in parts of the country that have reached very high Covid-19 rates (although the data is fairly noisy and the rise isn’t as large as it is for some other symptoms).

There have been some reports of eye-related issues related to Covid-19. A March 31 paper based on a study of 38 patients in China reported that one third of the patients later tested for ocular irregularities. There have also been recent reports of pink eye in 1-3 percent of Covid-19 patients. Searches related to pink eye do not show nearly as strong a geographic relationship with Covid-19 rates as eye pain, though. In fact, all eye-related complaints except pain that I looked at show little-to-no relationship with Covid-19 rates.

Does the Google search data really mean that eye pain is a symptom of Covid-19? Not necessarily. There may be other reasons that people in these parts of the country are searching for eye pain. However, I tested alternative explanations that people suggested to me, and they did not fit the data. The searches do not seem to be driven by allergies; they are not related to pollen concentrations. Nor do they seem to be driven by people staying at home and staring at screens more; eye pain search rates do not correlate with data from cellphones that have measured recent reductions in movement.

It is hard to imagine that curiosity alone is driving the relationship between eye pain and Covid-19 prevalence rates. Other potential symptoms that have received extensive media attention don’t show nearly as strong a statewide relationship with Covid-19 prevalence rates.

There is also some evidence for eye pain as a symptom of Covid-19 from searches in other parts of the world. Notably, searches for eye pain rose above fourfold in Spain between the middle of February and the middle of March and rose about 50 percent in Iran in March. In Italy, searches for “bruciore occhi” (“burning eyes”) were five times their usual levels in March. (To examine data across the world, I am mostly using Google’s topic “eye pain,” which groups together many different searches in various languages related to the topic. Since Google reports different random samples of their data for different data requests, I have averaged a number of different samples.)

I think search data offers suggestive evidence that eye pain can be a symptom of the disease. However, it might only affect a small fraction of Covid-19 patients. Overall search volume for eye pain, despite rising substantially in Covid-19 hot spots, remains well below search volume for other symptoms. In New York there are now about one-sixth as many searches related to eye pain as there are searches related to loss of smell.

Nonetheless, doctors and public health officials should probably look closely at the relationship between Covid-19 and eye pain. If nothing else, we need to understand why there is frequently a large uptick in people telling Google that their eyes hurt when known cases of Covid-19 in a location rise to extremely high levels.

More people can study search trends around the world to help us learn about Covid-19. In 2006, Google released Google Trends, a public tool that the research community can use to study anonymous and aggregate search data. That is how I found everything I reported in this piece. It is plausible that important facts about the Covid-19 disease could be found here or in other large data sets by data scientists, medical experts or even amateur data sleuths.

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Bornfreebutincovidchains · 06/04/2020 08:36

My cousin is doing odd shifts in various nursing homes. Yesterday, two residents passed away with suspected covid. People in hazmets came in. Then as the day went on she noticed other residents with no personal possessions and in hospital gowns. Apparently local hospital has been off loading suspected cases to the nursing home.

3 staff to about 23 patients. No ppe.

The situation in nursing homes is dire.
My cousin is terrified of going back. She used to be agency support teacher and now has no income and because its agency work isn't sure what benefits she can get.

AvocadoOwl · 06/04/2020 08:38

Bad news about the tigers. I remember reading some stuff in the news a while back about a lot of wild animals being found dead in/around Wuhan near the peak of their outbreak; reports seemed to hypothesise that they'd likely been affected by all the disinfectant being pumped over streets but I recall wondering at the time whether there might be more to it.

I also read an article in which the 25 year old chap who had the virus in Wuhan back in November documented his experiences of symptoms- he talked about a kitten he had getting sick and dying while he was ill. I raised my eyebrows at that too.

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 08:38

Beth Rigby @bethrigby
Latest data via @IslaGlaister (to Apr 5)
- 621 more people sadly died. 4,934 total (1,228 a wk ago to give u sense of pace)
- Increase 14% (lowest increase for more than wk)
- Now 3.5 days for deaths to double
- Caution w figures Could be weekend effect due to admin delays 1/

Data via @IslaGlaister. Global comparisons

Just 20 days ago the UK recorded 50 #coronavirus deaths. That total now 4,934

Deaths recorded at same stage:
Italy 5,476
Spain 8,464
France 5,387
S Korea 152
Germany behind UK & hasn’t made it to day 20 yet 2/

Data via @IslaGlaister. National/regional breakdown
- England accounts for 91% deaths
- Within English NHS regions, NE & Yorkshire 2nd only to London in terms of the increase. (NHS Med Director said at weekend) hospital admissions in region up 35%. 3/

Daily data via @IslaGlaister
Cases up 14% to 5,914. Total 47,806.
First time more than 5,000 cases in one day but testing increasing
- 12,334 tests reported on Sunday. Almost half of them were positive (48%) - the highest percentage to date 4/

Daily data via @IslaGlaister. Nat/regional breakdown cases
- Wales still most cases in proportion to population (102/100k people)
- As of last wk, Scot, Wales & NI had all carried out more tests per population than Eng
- NE & Yorkshire posted highest percentage increase in cases

nellodee · 06/04/2020 08:40

RedToothBrush, that was absolutely fascinating. Thank you.

Hormonecrazyhell · 06/04/2020 08:45

I’m actually pretty concerned a tigers got corona, am I being stupid? Paranoid? I mean is there an animal in captivity with less contact with humans than a tiger? If it’s not airborne how has the tiger got it?

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 08:49

If it’s not airborne how has the tiger got it?

How did the keeper give the food to the tiger? They handled the meat. Contact transmission.

Quartz2208 · 06/04/2020 08:55

It’s believed their zookeeper was asymptomatic and gave it to them when she handled food. Droplets in the air etc from her

Hormonecrazyhell · 06/04/2020 09:02

I don’t know ? @redtoothbrush I watch documentaries and they all have gloves, placed in in cages without the animal. Zoo’s, well most of them are good on health & safety.
If they did get it from the keepers having it & handling food, although less scary than airborne, that makes me not want to order any preprepared food 😬 I have had a takeaway in the last month, militarily operation to dispose of packaging, clean myself and surface etc.... but I could of eat the virus?

RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 09:05

Been a shortage of gloves lately...

pocketem · 06/04/2020 09:07

Sign up for the Oxford University study

Random sampling of the UK population to get an idea of how many of us have had it

oxford.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-in-the-uk-community

TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 09:14

Don Rafael, the Spanish 89 year old who fled a Coronavirus stricken care home in fear for his life. Article from the English language version of El Pais.

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Mittens030869 · 06/04/2020 09:14

Some really bad mistakes were made. Government advice persistently insisted on certain questions to ask patients with flu symptoms, had they been in an infected region or been in direct contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19? It took too long for them to accept that the UK was itself an infected country.

They should have been diagnosing the patient in front of them according to the symptoms, and tested everyone presenting with the COVID symptoms. Instead, when we took my DD2 (8) to A&E on 6th March on the advice of NHS 111, with a high temperature, chest pain, bad headache and aching all over (she was very unwell for 4 days), they just asked the standard questions and then diagnosed an upper respiratory viral infection.

It therefore never occurred to me that she might have been infected with COVID-19, because she didn't have a cough. I assumed that she had the virus I was then recovering from. Instead, a few days later, I went down with the COVID-19 symptoms myself but because she hadn't been tested, I wasn't either.

So we therefore weren't self-isolating as a family, although I did self-isolate when I became unwell with the symptoms. I knew enough about CV to recognise that I should self-isolate as the government guidelines by then stated. The guidelines changed that week.

Goodness knows how many people were walking around with the symptoms because they hadn't been in an infected region' or been in touch with a 'confirmed case'! Angry

middleager · 06/04/2020 09:15

Pocket I'd like to do that, but you need to live in Oxford.

Does anybody else use the Covid Symptom Tracker app where you report each day?

After watching the BBC documentary where they digitally release a fake virus into the community, it made me understand just how important the data is.

CrunchyCarrot · 06/04/2020 09:16

Thanks, Red, that is really interesting about the Google searches. :)

middleager · 06/04/2020 09:21

Correction - it will be Oxford postcodes first. Hoping to extend it out further.

I've registered my interest as I'd like to know if what I have now is a bug or CV.

I keep thinking about the tiger.

My domestic felines have been desperate to see me, but as a precaution I've had to keep them away.

middleager · 06/04/2020 09:32

From the Covid 19 Tracker App, research by Kings College:

Research update: April 1, 2020
The first results from our COVID-19 symptom tracking app show that losing your sense of smell or taste is a stronger predictor of coronavirus infection than fever.

According to the NHS, the most common symptoms of coronavirus infection are fever (high temperature) and a new continuous cough.

However, many people are also reporting symptoms such as aches and pains, chills, tiredness, headaches and diarrhoea. But there have also been plenty of anecdotal reports of patients suddenly losing their sense of smell or taste, particularly in the early stages of infection.

Is loss of smell or taste a symptom of COVID-19?
To find out more about the early warning signs of COVID-19, our researchers at King’s College London and ZOE have been analysing data from by nearly 2 million 400,000 ‘stay-at-home scientists’ who have been submitting daily health updates through the COVID-19 symptom tracking app.

We found that of 400,000 people reporting one or more symptoms between 24-29th March::

53% had fatigue or tiredness
29% had a persistent cough
28% suffered from shortness of breath
18% had lost their sense of smell (anosmia) or taste
10.5% were suffering from fever

Of these 400,000 people, 1,702 had been given a test for COVID-19. 579 had tested positive, while 1,123 were negative.

Doing a quick bit of maths tells us that of the people who were definitely infected by coronavirus (i.e. tested positive), nearly six in ten (59%) reported losing their sense of smell or taste compared with only around two in ten (18%) who tested negative.

This map shows the hotspots in the UK where app users are reporting loss of smell or taste:

middleager · 06/04/2020 09:36

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Our team then crunched all the symptom data together to build a computer programme (model) combining data on loss of smell and taste, fever, persistent cough, fatigue, diarrhoea, abdominal pain and loss of appetite to predict whether someone is likely to be suffering from COVID-19 or not, even if they haven’t been tested for the virus.

When we used the model to look across the 400,000 people who had reported symptoms but not yet had a COVID-19 test, we found that more than one in ten (13%) are likely to be infected by the virus based on their combination of symptoms.

That adds up to an extra 50,000 individuals who are likely to have as yet unconfirmed COVID-19 infections.

Why does COVID-19 cause loss of smell and taste?
Our senses of smell and taste are closely intertwined. Most of what you taste when you eat and drink actually comes from its smell, rather than its effects on the tastebuds on your tongue.It’s not entirely clear why coronavirus infection leads to a loss of smell and taste.

The key probably lies in the olfactory epithelium: a layer of neurons (nerves) and other supporting cells at the back of the nose that detect smelly chemicals in the air and relay this information into the brain.

One idea is that the virus causes inflammation and swelling in the back of the nose, interfering with normal smelly sensations. Scientists at Harvard have also just published a pre-print (non-peer-reviewed results) suggesting that the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19, known as SARS-CoV-2, may infect the supporting cells in the olfactory epithelium that surround the neurons responsible for detecting scents.

What should I do if I lose my sense of smell or taste?
Loss of smell or taste is one of many symptoms of COVID-19, and people respond in different ways to infection (something we’re working hard to understand from the data we’re collecting).

It’s important to remember that the common cold and other respiratory infections can also make you lose your sense of smell. Conversely, you may be infected with coronavirus without suffering any loss of smell or taste at all. And while loss of smell does seem to be a genuine early-warning sign of COVID-19, fever and coughing are still the most important symptoms to look out for.

Our lead researcher Professor Tim Spector says, "When combined with other symptoms, people with loss of smell and taste appear to be three times more likely to have contracted COVID-19 according to our data, and should therefore self-isolate for seven days to reduce the spread of the disease."

Given the circumstances, the best advice for anyone noticing loss of smell or taste is to treat yourself as being infectious. That means following the Government guidelines and starting self-isolation to protect your family, the NHS and the wider community by stopping the spread.

middleager · 06/04/2020 09:50

Hot spot map for loss of smell/taste mentioned in the text

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RedToothBrush · 06/04/2020 09:56

It’s important to remember that the common cold and other respiratory infections can also make you lose your sense of smell. Conversely, you may be infected with coronavirus without suffering any loss of smell or taste at all. And while loss of smell does seem to be a genuine early-warning sign of COVID-19, fever and coughing are still the most important symptoms to look out for.

Canada have been doing research into how well lockdown is working. Instead of testing people for Covid-19 they've been testing for more common influenza which has a lower R value of transmission.

What they have found is that its almost disappeared this season, much earlier than normal. And deaths from it have been far lower than normal.

My point being that the effect of lockdown is meaning that more typical colds and flu because they are harder to transmit are not around so much. So at this stage in proceedings if you now get what seems to be a cold, with the weather improving and the lockdown taking affect, the chances are it's much more likely to be covid-19...

Gammeldragz · 06/04/2020 09:58

Excellent that they are starting a survey study on the population. Shame those participating aren't given their results, but I would still participate just to help provide data, as it's important.

NettleTea · 06/04/2020 10:20

oh god, I hope the news about the tigers doesnt get widespread. The bastards all policing everyones movements on Facebook will be lynching the local cat population.

TheStarryNight · 06/04/2020 10:42

Shenzhen becomes first Chinese city to ban eating cats and dogs

As well as banning the sale of wildlife for consumption, Shenzhen has banned eating cats and dogs.

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