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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35

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TheStarryNight · 30/03/2020 14:28

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Ladyellow · 03/04/2020 14:46

We have one of the biggest populations (3rd I think) in Europe. Does that mean we can expect more actual deaths but less in terms of the % of the population ( potentially). Every time I try and compare us to another country I realise there’s a flaw! Maybe I should stop?!!

Namechangervaver · 03/04/2020 14:50

Studies on Coronavirus in animals years ago show that viral load is a major factor in severity. I can’t believe we are sending HCPs in to fight this without adequate PPE. It’s sickening to see.

Absolutely sickening. Up until yesterday we were told we don't need PPE unless it's a symptomatic patient, and it was just mask, gloves and apron. Now we've been told we need PPE for all procedures where we will be within a metre of patients and it should include goggles and visor. Our PPE still hasn't arrived by the way Angry

EmMac7 · 03/04/2020 14:52

Another young nurse passes away from Covid. 🥺

www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/heartache-as-nurse-loses-coronavirus-bat

Steala · 03/04/2020 14:52

So, we've lost more people than China. I remember being in total shock when deaths in Italy exceeded that devastating milestone. Heartbreaking.

peridito · 03/04/2020 14:54

@Ladyellow I think this chart shows deaths per million per country

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Namechangervaver · 03/04/2020 14:55

This Government didnt even want tenants to have a spare bedroom let alone a spare bathroom

😂🙈

Namechangervaver · 03/04/2020 14:57

It figures that I would still be infectious from my (untested) COVID-19, as I'm still symptomatic over 3 weeks after going down with it. I still have a bad cough and I've had a hard time believing I stopped being infectious after 14 days.

And yet our maverick government says self isolate for 7 days. They're just making it up as they go along.

CharlieTangoBanana · 03/04/2020 15:02

@Elephantgrey thank you, at the end of the day it was my decision to stop all but one of the carers coming in, all of the others work with several other clients and they have other carers too. Once I'd factored in their own families it just felt like too many contacts and too big a risk to me. Being sent substitute carers is all well and good but some of them had zero experience working with ventilation & suction equipment and although I can talk people through what needs to be done and DH can show them, the first few times they need supervision and you never know if they are going to ever come again, it's exhausting.

DH is more than capable but I don't want him to be my carer, I want him to be my husband but for now this is the safest way to work and manage my respiratory failure.

I have become a total keyboard warrior on the local support group because last night just highlighted that their system is only capable of serving the very wealthiest members of our community.

I've arranged for volunteers to drop off shopping lists at the corner shop three times a week, two volunteers to go in after closing and make up the orders and sixth form students to do the deliveries.
Payment can be taken over the phone or done by bank transfer and can be combined with deliveries from the market stall holders fruit and veg and meat from the butcher, payments can be combined for all three.
It all means that people who need to budget can eat good wholesome food at a reasonable price.
The rest of the village can eat all the pickled caper berries, dehydrated fungi, wild boar salami and squid ink pasta it can get its hands on.

Someone else has set up a village patrol squad which will do a walk around the village passing each address where someone is self isolating three times a day.
Each vulnerable person has a red, amber and green piece of paper to display in their window. Green = everything is ok, Amber = I would like a phone call, Red = please knock on the door as I need immediate help.

pocketem · 03/04/2020 15:03

Thread about Cheltenham.
twitter.com/paullewismoney/status/1245967357631246341?s=20

Thanks HelenaDove

Interesting reading. Of course, our arrogant Oxbridge "experts" insisted that Cheltenham and other mass gatherings were safe because apparently you would only be in close contact with 4 or 5 people at a time?! Also the same public school toff experts like Jenny Harries who just a few days ago were scoffing at the WHO advice to test, test, test, saying that advice was only for backwards poor countries. Now we have more dead than China, and quadruple the deaths in one day than South Korea have had in total.

What will it take for these people to be sacked

MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet · 03/04/2020 15:07

I just hope some of the journos take the Government to account during the press conference later.

Mittens030869 · 03/04/2020 15:22

Sadly I agree, @Namechangervaver it's crazy because how can they possibly know? Lots of people are ill with COVID-19 for a lot more than 7 days.

Saucery · 03/04/2020 15:27

I wouldn’t blame a single HCP for refusing to work in those conditions. It’s got to be some combination of viral load and maybe lowered immune system due to stress that is causing the deaths, surely.
The lack of PPE is unforgivable.

Namechangervaver · 03/04/2020 15:28

Mittens030869

It's strange because I don't think WHO has ever said 7 days.

MurrayTheMonk · 03/04/2020 15:29

The numbers today SadSad

TheCanterburyWhales · 03/04/2020 15:43

Ladyyellow, Spain has 15 million people fewer than the UK (at least) so no. Despite what the Covid deniers would have us believe this virus is more or less the same wherever it lands. What makes a difference is how govts prepare for it and how timely their interventions are.

pocketem · 03/04/2020 15:43

New York ambulance crews will no longer perform CPR on someone in cardiac arrest while transporting to hospital.

If an adult cardiac arrest patient cannot be revived on the scene, they will be pronounced dead by the EMS team, and a mortuary removal service will transport the body.

With hospital Emergency Departments clogged with the sick, the injured, and the worried well, there simply aren't enough resources available to devote to what is probably a lost cause.

And if the cardiac arrest patient is infected with the virus, doing a full `code' on them at the hospital will likely aerosolize their virus and could infect many others. Not only would a large portion of the Emergency Department become contaminated, so would the EMS rig that transported the patient, which would take both out of service for decontamination.

Unlike on TV and in the movies, most unwitnessed, out-of-hospital cardiac arrests don't survive. And many of those that are `revived' initially end up dying hours or days later. Even inside a hospital, a good outcome following a cardiac arrest is far from guaranteed.

MurrayTheMonk · 03/04/2020 15:46

With re PPE... I heard an a and e dr comparing this morning that he only had wrist length gloves and he was doing close work with people breathing infection on to his arms etc...
That's been the case in care homes forever! It absolutely isn't right and it's a shame it's taken this to make people even notice.

Care homes article today talking about managers being pushed to get relatives to sign DNAR's etc and how the over 75's wouldn't be admitted to hospital from care environments. Just grim. I'm sad and angry at the same time!!

CrunchyCarrot · 03/04/2020 15:50

New daily death figures out. 684 deaths today in the UK, our death total overall is now 3,605.

Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35
CrunchyCarrot · 03/04/2020 15:56

Murray that's just awful, all of it. Angry

Skittlesss · 03/04/2020 16:19

The figures are awful, and in reality it’s much worse - it’s increasing every day, but the numbers are nearly a day old by the time we get them. So yesterday, we were shocked by the deaths... but the figure from three hours later shows it was much worse than we thought.

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 03/04/2020 16:20

That chart is awful :(

I know why it is counted from 10, but how do the numbers compare side by side now, if taken from the first death?

Still no letter for me, PHW say to wait until at least next friday before chasing it up. Seeing my nurse again during the week (wish house visits weren't compulsory), so I'll see if she knows anything

satansbumhole · 03/04/2020 16:24

yes poketem its true about the survival rate from CPR. Its not like telly where they wake up later with a dreamy "where am i"? lol

Most still die anyway! blunt but true....

Namechangervaver · 03/04/2020 16:30

I think when the numbers jump forward like this we should adjust the days. Ie., we were tracking 16 days behind Italy but now it's 15 days. So it's not that our death rates are necessarily increasing faster. There may be a lag in a bit and we'll go back to tracking 16 or more days behind, or hopefully even flatten the curve a bit

DarnedSocks · 03/04/2020 16:31

It almost doesn't seem real. Our frontline staff have inadequate protection. All the banging over the past few years about us being one of the world's largest economies yet we can't provide enough PPE to those who need it. So shocking. We had months to prepare but all they did was lie tell us the NHS was "extremely well-equipped". There's no excuse. This is negligence.

Living in a city must increase your risk? More people, high density housing so higher viral load? Are hospitals in other parts of America still able to treat cardiac arrests? Presumably it's similar here. Patients with any emergency in London, Birmingham, Slough, and Sheffield have no chance but possibly if you live elsewhere you might still get help?

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