Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35

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What those google charts do show is that in general people's behaviour changed very little until forced by the lockdown.

While we were just social distancing things like retail and grocery stores were busier than normal. Which probably indicates that the first phases (increased distancing/stay at home if ill) may have been less effective than hoped.

Remember though red - their "clap for key workers" only counts if they film themselves and the DCs doing it and post it on Facebook, snapchat, Instagram, Twitter and tiktok...

This morning I have been shown a news article featuring a friend who has been doing something to help the community. Apparently the publication of the article was held up as it didn't have a photo.

The photo has 6 of them stood right next to each other smiling away.

I'm furious. Those who are looking after the vulnerable should be take social distancing most seriously.

Not posing for fucking photos.

Last night there was a local restaurant owner in a photo shared all over Facebook posing giving a local nursery food. Again stood right next to people posing for a photo.

Dh has just said to me this isn't about helping the community. Some of them are doing it to look good and to get the social contact they are missing. There isn't thought given to the effect of what they are inadvertently doing in pursuit of their 'good deeds'.

Yes we need community support. No we don't need photographs to prove it which risk creating super spreaders who are having more contact with the vulnerable than most.

And I'm beyond angry at 8pm fireworks last night (DH who has done local displays and has done all the h and s shit was flabbergasted) or the 'local event' last night which was done by a number of individuals and encouraged locals to leave their house at 8pm last night to gather to see something which isn't essential and encouraged others to do non essential stuff.

We are only 2 weeks into this.

Dh has written a very polite message pointing out the above in terms which don't involve the swearing I would use.

I have read that the mutation rate is slow for this virus.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccine-mutation-covid-19-latest-a9423301.html

Also just looking at mutation rate is misleading, as most mutations make a virus less effective so are naturally selected out.
www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

It has been estimated that cv mutates twice a month on average. This is significantly less than flu. However, most of these mutations are tiny and while they change the genetic makeup of the virus in minuscule ways they won't make a significance difference to the epidemiology of cv - or too the effectiveness of antibodies.

It is possible for more deadly/virulent versions to arise through mutation, but it is far more likely that mutations will be less likely to have a negative effect.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/science/amp/The-science-of-coronavirus-how-fast-it-15135782.php

They are also testing a very small number (500 I think) with accurate antibody test to see proportion as insight.

Actual number of mutations will be exponential though, surely?

Is mutation just random mistakes though. Also is it possible that recessive code is switched on in a virus

I mean in a virus version

From BBC love feed

Singapore to close schools, most workplaces
All schools and most workplaces will be closed for a month, starting next week, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has announced.

All businesses except food establishments, markets, supermarkets, clinics, hospitals, utilities, transport and key banking services will have to shut.

The government is also changing its advice on masks and will no longer discourage citizens from wearing them, given growing research that people with no symptoms could transmit the virus. The government will give out reusable masks to every household.

Friday's announcement is a drastic move for Singapore, which has mostly managed to successfully control its outbreak. The country of about six million people has recorded five deaths and 1,049 infections. Schools, workplaces, malls and restaurants have up to now remained open, with some social distancing restrictions.

But in recent weeks, the city-state has faced a second wave caused by imported cases. In the last few days the number of local infections grew again, indicating community transmission was on the rise.

"Looking at the trend, I am worried that unless we take further steps, things will gradually get worse, or another big cluster may push things over the edge," said Mr Lee.

Interesting graphic

Hong Kong is also tighting restrictions

CharlieTangoBanana I am sorry to hear what has happened with your careers. That is awful. Relieved the poor old lady got her groceries and cat food.

The Guardian are reporting that young nurse Areema Nasreen has died. That is just so sad. I really hoped she would recover.

I work in a university and we had a email today saying that they are making contingency plans in case the academic year is not able to start in September. We could do online teaching for the first term or have a condensed academic year starting in January. I really hope it doesn’t come to that.

I think universities would go back after schools as they have less of an impact on the economy.

I think they have said that there are 8 different strains, which allow them to track it
however the mutations are tiny - 11 genes different across 30,000 and they are not making it more deadly.
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/

Very sad. An NHS frontline worker, who had worked her way up the ranks from housekeeping to healthcare assistant to qualified staff nurse in acute medicine, has died of COVID

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/nhs-nurse-dies-coronavirus-hospital-where-she-worked-areema-nasreen-walsall

A 36-year-old NHS nurse, who was believed to have had no underlying health issues, has died after contracting coronavirus.

Areema Nasreen died shortly after midnight on Friday in intensive care at Walsall Manor hospital in the West Midlands, where she had worked for 16 years.

Nasreen from Walsall, developed symptoms of coronavirus on 13 March, including aches, a high temperature and then a cough. She tested positive for the virus last Friday.

The mother-of-three qualified as a staff nurse in January last year and worked at the hospital’s acute medical unit.

She worked at Walsall Manor hospital from 2003, in housekeeping and as a healthcare assistant before studying to become a nurse.

They haven't extended our semi lock down past the end of next week yet have they? Was it initially for three weeks, so we've one to go?I wonder when we will hear if they are going to or not?

I think universities desperately want to be open in time for the new academic year. To do otherwise would be hugely disruptive for us and we would lose a lot of money.

I think they said they’ll review it on 13th April. We won’t here anything until then I don’t think as I’m sure they’ll extend it and they won’t want to tell people that now.

Hear!!

Thanks Delatron.
I kind of wish they would just say now but I guess they will wait and watch the infection and death rates before deciding.
Wuhan were in lock down for 12 full weeks I think? And what are Italy on now? 5 weeks?

It’s the uncertainty that’s so tricky for everyone.

The government probably don’t even know right now. I’m sure they know they’ll extend it but they are working on their exit strategy and that will change as to more info they get over the next few weeks, when the antibody tests are ready etc. So much changes daily and weekly.

Pocketem that’s so sad isn’t it.
I’m in a community setting in mental health.
I really admire and feel emotional for those in real front line positions on a daily basis. I really couldn’t do that work. ICU, HDU - dealing with 100s of deaths daily. My heart goes out to them all.

So sad about the nurse. Awful.

WHO are saying those with covid can still be infectious up to 14 days AFTER symptoms end!!

From the WHO briefing 16 March, part in bold -

Another option is for patients with mild disease to be isolated and cared for at home.

Caring for infected people at home may put others in the same household at risk, so it’s critical that care-givers follow WHO’s guidance on how to provide care as safely as possible.

For example, both the patient and their care-giver should wear a medical mask when they are together in the same room.

The patient should sleep in a separate bedroom to others and use a different bathroom.

Assign one person to care for the patient, ideally someone who is in good health and has no underlying conditions.

The care-giver should wash their hands after any contact with the patient or their immediate environment.

People infected with COVID-19 can still infect others after they stop feeling sick, so these measures should continue for at least two weeks after symptoms disappear

Visitors should not be allowed until the end of this period.

14 days AFTER!! That's really, really different than 'normal' coronavirus.

Anyone know anything about this??

The dead nurse had three children... 😞.

It is “normal” coronavirus the WHO is talking about. I thought I could go shopping for first time in a fortnight on Monday, now maybe not?? My symptoms only ceased two days ago....