Until June?!

[Woman31]

Iv read today that these strict rules will be in place until June.

I’m going to go insane before then. How are people going to manage? Surely it can’t be that long? China didn’t take that long ?

My anxiety is so bloody high 😩

[CeibaTree]

If the antibody tests get rolled out to the general public then more and more people will be able to leave lockdown conditions. I'm just not sure how this would be policed though, so maybe it will be more weeks of lockdown for everyone.

[user1353245678533567]

I'm talking about the people moaning because they can't get to baby classes or go out for coffee (two things I've seen here in recent days). It isn't the same thing.

Where in your initial judgemental post referring to people with "MH issues" not taking responsibility did you say you were only referring to this very narrow category of people? As you blithely condemned them for failing to find the exact same things as you helpful and basically called them irresponsible and lazy. I don't know why it seems to surprise you that you're receiving pushback on that.

You do realise that it's possible for people to take responsibility, try their utmost, and still be suffering?

[Boudicabooandbulldogs]

@Meruem
It’s the ones who aren’t posting, who aren’t engaging that we need to be worried about. They are the ones sat at home, often alone. Possibly in unsafe circumstances. Their one means of taking responsibility has been taken away from them.
It’s not just the ones moaning about going to baby classes or having a coffee with friends. It’s parents with OCD who will struggle so much under these conditions. Who’s internal monologue will be constant, incessant and unrelenting. They can’t switch off by watching a film or doing some crafts with their children. They need to see professionals that’s why they were given their appointments in the fist place.
Also for some people, getting out for a coffee with friends is the one thing that keeps them from progressing into the first group you mentioned.

[IrisAtwood]

@BiBiBirdie I am also becoming more depressed and anxious. My heart surgery being on hold, the prospect of losing a whole year’s income and not being able to keep to my usual routine has had a dramatic effect.

I remind myself of all of the positives that others have identified in this thread and others: not being bombed, enough food, water and energy, a secure home and I don’t have children to entertain or educate. Plus I no longer live with my abusive ex. 24/7 with him and I don’t think that I would have lived to tell the tale.

[IrisAtwood]

@OddBoots I think that safe spaces online are really helpful during this period. I also think that we should all be more mindful of what we are posting, for example, not abusing or bullying each other and showing each other respect.

[nowaitaminute]

I know I'm in a minority but I am feeling more relaxed as the days go by, I'm enjoying being home with my family right now and focusing on that! We are safe, happy and healthy. I know ppl are dying and sick and others have lost jobs! I am aware of all of that, and that does make me feel sad. But...I have to focus on my small positives to stay healthy and happy.

[bodgeitandscarper]

I dont think that there will be riots over the lockdown, as this goes on we'll probably end up seeing friends and loved ones seriously ill or dead. I'm sure that that will have the effect of people being more accepting of the restrictions.

[Itsjustmee]

I think lockdown till the beginning of June which is roughly 10 weeks time It might get very strict than it is at the moment in particular around the Easter weekend especially if the weather is nice as the nice weather will bring out the entitled assholes who must visit Gran go Easter egg hunting bbq or sunbath . So I reckon around that weekend it will be a complete lockdown
Then probably another 3 months of a similar lockdown to what we have now which will take us pretty much to the end of August and hopefully some form of normality in terms of kids going back to school and some business opening depending on what they are

[QuimJongUn]

people are wallowing in it and yes that can be helped

@Meruem I'll tell my DD with BPD to stop wallowing, shall I?

If you have MH issues yourself FFS try and show some empathy.

[VapingHot]

So sorry you're suffering OP.
I also have mental health issues and am a longtime recovering alcoholic.
We have set up WhatsApp groups for our local AA meetings and online Zoom meetings for when we would normally have face to face ones.
I live alone, and without this contact I'd be really struggling. I say this an introvert who lives alone and love my own company.
Why not set up the same with others that are struggling with their mental health?
Please remember that there are people all over the world feeling the same. Yes, it's shit. I'd rather not be dead though.

[Meruem]

On threads where people are looking for advice or even just some empathy, you won't see a negative post from me. But yes it does get my back up when I see people posting crap like "the only people to die from CV would have died soon anyway" because anyone with an ounce of sense knows that just isn't true. My DS lost a friend in his 30s to CV just a couple of days ago. So yes, for now, the physical health of literally thousands has to come before the MH of others (I won't even try and guess at numbers). And So, with that in mind, it is helpful if people can find new ways of coping. For themselves as much as anyone. And I don't think people are being nasty pointing that out. Sometimes people do wallow. All of us are capable of it. But if you can at least try to be a bit more positive (for those who can) it can help. I never said "everyone" can just deal with it all but small steps or actions can improve things for some.

[Meruem]

@QuimJongUn

My DD also has BPD and this hit her hard at first. She had just started 2 voluntary jobs which have now been placed on hold due to lockdown. Her music lessons have stopped and her planned holiday was cancelled. But she picked herself up and has set new goals for things she's going to accomplish while she can't go out. So yes, people do have some control over how they approach this.

[Boudicabooandbulldogs]

@Meruem,
I don’t think everyone who challenged your thoughts said that only old vulnerable people would die from CV.
I know that it is a risks to so many people, that young healthy people can and will get this. Can and will die from this. It’s terrible and I have no clue how to deal with it so am following advice. However we cannot overlook the substantial effect that a long term lockdown (longer than June) will have on many thousands of others and the economy.
It truly is the best of bad choices. My responses to you, were only because of some statements you made.

[Freshairimportanttoo]

I could easily manage if I was free to drive to places of beauty and walk, alone with my family.
I don't actually like the town I live in so being stuck here, forced onto pavements in a cramped town will probably finish me off.

[FloconDeNeige]

But we aren’t free to drive around at the moment, so what other things could we do that might help?

[theschoolonthehill]

I could easily manage if I was free to drive to places of beauty and walk, alone with my family.
I don't actually like the town I live in so being stuck here, forced onto pavements in a cramped town will probably finish me off.

I’m the same as this. I really dislike where I live. If I lived in an area where I could go for long walks, nature or sea, I would be ok.

FWIW I think June is optimistic. More likely to be September.

[Meruem]

I do understand of course all the negative effects of lockdown. But my view is that it isn't up to me any way. The situation is as it is. We all just have to get through it as best we can. For some it will be relatively ok, for others it is a complete disaster, losing their jobs, homes etc. Before you even come to the fact that many of us will lose someone we love. There may well be people posting on this forum today who will sadly lose their lives to CV in the coming months.

Yes it is harder for people with any kind of MH issue to adapt and change. But it is in their own interest to do so if they can.

[QuimJongUn]

@Meruem I'm genuinely glad that your DD is coping so well. It's a horrible illness and it's such a relief when they're on an even keel and doing well.

DD lost her job at the start of this - the shop she was working at closed permanently. She was saving to start her master's next year. She's worked hard for 4 years on her degree course and now has to do her dissertation in lockdown with no ftf support and no access to the uni library, and unable to do the surveys/interviews/research she needs to do. Like so many, her life has been turned upside down. She is not coping well at all and has had a very bad few weeks. She takes medication but when she's crashing it doesn't help. She cannot make plans or set goals when she is this unwell. She has absolutely no control over her state of mind, let alone how she approaches all of this.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

China did take that long. Many, many of them are still not him outside.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

going

[LochJessMonster]

People won’t last til June. Human beings are not selfless enough to do that.

[Barbie222]

@Pishposhpashy you need to show empathy to get it. Right now I'm so angry with people like you. I wondered how long it would take before people start bleating about how they don't really care about the vulnerable and shielded, who are apparently all going to die soon anyway?

[Pishposhpashy]

how they don't really care about the vulnerable and shielded, who are apparently all going to die soon anyway?

Do you mean the fact I was talking about my own grandfather, who is racist, abused my grandmother abused my mother and is generally an unpleasant, awful person? Because I reserve the right to feel however I want about him, if it is all the same to you.

I do not feel the same about my lovely grandmother. Maybe you should read posts properly before you jump to conclusions.

[Amotherof6]

It's probably due to all the 'special' people who think that the social distancing, please stay at home rules don't apply to them. We still have holidaymakers in their caravans in our rural seaside town... why did they come - its not a holiday free for all - why don't they go home? They deem themselves as exceptions... there are a lot of people who also feel they are exceptions... only want to drive to the moors/the beach/the beautiful area 15 miles away...

Until we all 'get it' stay inside - socially distance then it will go on and on and on and on

[Meruem]

@QuimJongUn

I'm sorry your DD is struggling so much. I do understand from my own DD that when things go wrong it's so much harder for them to deal with. And I do fully understand the points you make and how my post would come across, and I'm sorry for sounding like I don't care.

I do have empathy for people who are struggling. But I think sometimes the way people word things is unfortunate. Like the OP yesterday who kind of said she didn't care if a 90 yr old died! She did sadly come across as quite self absorbed and many people said that (I didn't comment). But she probably isn't that way at all and i don't think she meant it to sound so bad. I didn't mean my posts to sound as bad as they probably do! Truth is reading posts where people are becoming somewhat hysterical about being locked down is the thing that raises my anxiety! So I should probably stay off those and take my own advice about just managing my own feelings!