Until June?!

[Woman31]

Iv read today that these strict rules will be in place until June.

I’m going to go insane before then. How are people going to manage? Surely it can’t be that long? China didn’t take that long ?

My anxiety is so bloody high 😩

Things are likely to be ongoing possibly until Christmas. I feel for the poor in countries like India, living in overcrowded conditions with no option to social distance.

Many of us are very lucky to have our own house/flat and need to appreciate that.

there’s something about Neil Ferguson that seems off to me. anyone else get the same weird vibes from him?

Remember - we’re all in this together (if you’re following guidelines) If you’re struggling with MH please tell someone whether in real life or online.

Comparing our situation to India’s just writes off anyone’s ability to moan about anything in life ever even before this.
What’s the point in shutting peoples thoughts down?

We absolutely cannot live in full on lockdown solidly until christmas, the economic and social consequences would be catastrophic and fatal.

I understand when people complain of MH issues. My DH suffers with SA, it impacts the whole family, daily.

But what’s the alternative? What do you suggest? If you struggle with not knowing what the future holds - what do you want to happen? If you struggle with no social contact (in person), what do you want to happen?

If it’s a question of venting and talking, I get that. I get the anger directed towards people who dismiss MH issues.

But practically, what can anyone do for you?

It’s awful, more awful for some than for others, but it can’t be helped. This is life right now. There’s nothing more to say.

I doubt Christmas will be necessary unless the British are a lot more stupid and selfish than I think! Italy seems to be levelling off, China have bottomed out.

If you struggle with no social contact (in person), what do you want to happen?

Personally, I would like the option to socialise between 2 households if both are self isolating.

BiBi -- flowers

There are some very foul posters on MN virtually advocating a eugenics approach to all of this in order to be able to get on with their own lives. One very vocal one on this thread. Disgusting. "They'll be dead anyway soon all those old and sick people, what's a month here or there to them when I am stuck in the house"

I think the lockdown in the UK will be tightened before it's loosened tbh. Still too many people going out and about to really make a difference to slowing infection rates. Through no fault of their own, but because the guidelines haven't been clear. With the best will in the world, a govt can't expect people to do the sensible thing just by asking them nicely.

In Italy we are expecting lockdown to be relaxed slightly by early-mid May. We are still 7-10 days from peak infection and therefore 10-20 days from peak death numbers. It can be worked out for the UK in those terms, once the rate of growth begins to slow significantly they'll look at relaxing the rules.

to those suffering.

Our household is just assuming we are at home until fall.

Years ago people had to go to war and fight. Others stayed home and helped the war effort

Today we are being asked to either isolate if in a vulnerable group or social distance and follows some very simple rules.

The difference this highlights is how very selfish some people are - if we all join in it will be quicker and less will die - some don't give a f* for the health of others. Some very selfish people who just want to do what they want... basic whinging about what has so far been a very short amount of time (the wars went on for years!)…

However, there are a lot of really helpful, wonderful people out there. Millions of them. How about we all work together to get through this and put our selfishness to one side for a while... skip the gym/babyclass (they managed without those things for generations) etc etc etc seriously there have been some amazingly selfish individuals post about what they are missing out on....

PEOPLE HAVE DIED so shut the * up

@Purpleartichoke nice and positive! What information are you basing that on?

@Pishposhpashy

Personally, I would like the option to socialise between 2 households if both are self isolating.

So this would help alleviate the struggles you’re experiencing right now. Perhaps also the struggles of someone in the second household too.

Do you understand the risks this incurs? I’m sure you do, they’re well publicised now. Do you think it’s an acceptable trade, to incur the risk of infection spread (no household can truly self-isolate for any significant period of time if they’re eating) versus alleviating your MH struggle?

Infection spread is exponential and entirely out of your control. You wouldn’t wish it on anyone, I’m sure.

Only you can answer this question for yourself, because only you know how you feel. Maybe it’s truly critical to you.

But you’re not allowed to make the decision for anyone else, and their health. You don’t have the right.

It’s awful, it really is. But there is no alternative.

I’m so sorry

We have no info. We are just trying to maintain a good attitude by expecting the worst and being pleasantly surprised if it ends sooner. For us that means assuming dd will not get to attend her much desired summer academic program and instead will spend her time watching YouTube videos while mom and dad wfh. If she ends up getting to attend we will all be extremely happy.

But you’re not allowed to make the decision for anyone else, and their health. You don’t have the right.

Well I'm not, and I won't. Not sure where I said that I would. You asked what would help and I told you. That doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

I was merely objecting to being told we should just use skype, because I'm telling you that isnt the same and will be of no use to many people in my situation.

@Purpleartichoke fingers crossed for her!

I'm bracing for this to be the new normal til October at the earliest. And I don't expect schools to be open then either. Don't worry, your brain will catch up. I was teetering on insanity and physical panic that made me vomit last week. Now I'm much calmer. Hang in there.

Planning for the worst actually can make you feel.more in control. You'll think I'm bonkers but I've got a hospital bag packed, have circulated contact details and even who'll look after my cats, despite being healthy for the moment.

I was merely objecting to being told we should just use skype, because I'm telling you that isnt the same and will be of no use to many people in my situation.

People are offering suggestions, that’s all. You’re wanting to choose between virtual interaction vs actual interaction. Other people are wanting to choose between struggling to stay alive on a ventilator (if there is one to be had) and not needing one in the first place.

I’m not accusing you personally of anything, don’t get defensive. I’m sympathetic to you. I understand. But do you get the point? Your MH may take a nose-dive, someone else may die.

@Pishposhpashy it’s very upsetting and I agree with you 100% . I have severe mental health conditions myself and it’s making me feel actively suicidal . Mental health always comes bottom of the pile . So much for my door is always open , kettle always on and phone anytime.
We are not even allowed to voice how we are struggling without being bashed down and feel even worse.

I also feel for those in abusive relationships, how terrifying for them and the children affected also by physical , mental , sexual abuse and neglect . Home isn’t the safest place for these people - do they not matter either. No compassion from most people on mumsnet when it doesn’t affect them

But do you get the point? Your MH may take a nose-dive, someone else may die.

I obviously do , I'm not a moron

You are talking as if I've said I'll be out and about doing whatever I want because my MH is too important, when I've clearly said I'm observing lockdown rules.

I think we will be in and out of lockdowns until we get a vaccine which is 12-18 months. This is not going to go away anytime soon

I know I’ll get shot down in flames for saying this but I feel a deep sense of anger at China right now for causing this

Another thread that the "man up/others had it worse/you're been naïve if you think it'll be normal by June" merchants scroll through MN looking to pounce on with their empathy-free drivel. I wish the people that run this site would set up an area to go where they can outspeculate each other with their predictions of misery

I think in a few weeks they may lift some restrictions to see how it goes but put them back in if cases are rising again.

I have revoked the no phones at meal time rule as we are now dropping off grandads dinner then facetiming while we eat with him propped up at head of the table so we can all eat together kids think I've gone mad but it helps us , I cant imagine him not being able to eat with us till June its normally at least 3 times a week

I think it would be easier to cope with if we could see something to look forward to at the end of all this, that would make getting through the next few months easier. However the reality is that life is going to be a lot bleaker in the longer term. We are fine at the moment, both have jobs we can kind of do from home , but in the longer term those jobs are likely to go along with thousands of others in a similar situation. We could take early pensions but they are likely to be severely affected too. Four teenagers hoping to enter the work force in the next few years and the future looks bleak for them. If you already suffer from anxiety and depression this can all seem overwhelming.