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startalovetrain · 27/03/2020 11:18

So BoJo has COVID-19!

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flippityflobberty · 27/03/2020 19:40

@CendrillonSings erm... lots. The uk response to lockdown is laughable. France, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, all of the other countries have had an actual lockdown.

The UK has left theirs open to individual interpretation.

My DP had a new fridge delivered yesterday. My DB has been shopping for DIY stuff.

Where I live (not UK) everything went into lockdown immediately. Open are banks, petrol stations, food shops, postal service and pharmacies. There is a strict 'one in, one out' policy with supermarkets. Trolleys and people are sanitized. Larger stores which sell non food items have those sections taped off. The army have been dispersed. Drones are flying. There are hardly any cars on the roads, hardly any people out and about. The government has issued strict, clear rules and people have listened.

I live close to a border, which is firmly shut with the exception of key workers. But they can't just cross easily. Stringent checks are in place.

If it wasn't so bloody tragic, the UK's response would be hilarious.

CendrillonSings · 27/03/2020 19:57

Here’s a handy analysis of the early response to the pandemic by the UK government from January, based on the published minutes of SAGE. It’s by an emeritus professor at KCL, and I have no idea about his political leanings:

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chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:07

Here’s a handy analysis of the early response to the pandemic by the UK government from January, based on the published minutes of SAGE

Any comments on hand shakes?

Ventilators
PPE

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:09

It’s by an emeritus professor at KCL, and I have no idea about his political leanings

A Professor of War Studies apparently.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 27/03/2020 20:14

That its honestly the bit I don’t get

We saw What was happening in other countries

And we didnt change anything..

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:19

And we didnt change anything

We washed our hands.

And then we realised that herd immunity meant that a lot of people would die who didn't need to.

beautifulteeth · 27/03/2020 20:21

Oh my goodness me.

Such vile leftist comments of division and hate...

Only on mumsnet...

Still wondering why labour lost 80 seats in the last election. 😂

Ks0708 · 27/03/2020 20:25

I don't see what good pointing out the flaws does now. We are where we are. The time for recriminations is afterwards when the dust has settled. Try doing something useful in the meanwhile

StirCrazed · 27/03/2020 20:28

Are you completely gaslighting, Cendrillon? Stop it. It was two months ago. I have been going mad about our crappy response to it since mid January.

Alsohuman · 27/03/2020 20:28

Still wondering why labour lost 80 seats in the last election

It was 60 actually.

milveycrohn · 27/03/2020 20:32

If Boris Johnson has caught Covid19 from shaking hands over 2 weeks ago, then the virus has a long incubation period!
I believe it was soon after that he stopped shaking hands.
But sometimes we all forget if it is something we are used to, meeting people in circumstamces of official duties.
The press and media were gathered for his daily briefings until fairly recently, when it went on line.
So, I would be more concerned about that.
Also, I expect there are various staff at 10 Downing Street, who could have brought it in.

CendrillonSings · 27/03/2020 20:33

Are you completely gaslighting, Cendrillon? Stop it. It was two months ago. I have been going mad about our crappy response to it since mid January.

How about you read the SAGE minutes on what actually happened instead of casting nonsense at me? It gives a balanced look at what information was actually coming in to inform government decisions and when.

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:34

Such vile leftist comments of division and hate

If it's 'leftist' to have an issue with the Prime Minister of the UK giving out the message that it's ok to shake hands when there is virus outbreak going on, then you can call me a 'leftist'.

CendrillonSings · 27/03/2020 20:35

It was 60 actually.

And their worst result in 84 years... Grin

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:37

How about you read the SAGE minutes on what actually happened instead of casting nonsense at me

Written by a War Studies Professor.

Did you hear the Editor of the Lancet last night?

And still no comment on Boris and his handshaking?

Your silence speaks volumes

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 20:39

@cendrillonsings

Do you think Johnson has taken this situation seriously?

StirCrazed · 27/03/2020 20:44

Do you seriously think we didn't have access to TVs and medical journals?

CendrillonSings · 27/03/2020 20:51

Written by a War Studies Professor.

With a direct link to the SAGE minutes themselves. Oh, did you not notice that in your rush to try to be clever?

DowntownAbby · 27/03/2020 20:52

@RufustheLanglovingreindeer @chomalungma

What do you think should have happened and when?

If we were locked down immediately there would still be some cases which would gradually grow (read other MN threads to see all the people who think the current lockdown applies to other people but not them).

How long would we stay locked down in that case? A few weeks? After which it would be lifted and then we'd get to exactly where we are now very quickly.

Or do you think the lockdown should have started in early March and stayed on until there were no cases at all? In which case it would be many, many months, or even years, and need the borders tightly closed, because there'd be virtually no immune people. And in any case there would still be some people infected, which would grow when people had to collect food, etc. We would of course be bankrupt and have starved by then anyway.

If early lockdown was the right answer I believe it would have happened. I trust the PHE and other agencies and advisors. They have no reason to lie on behalf of the Tories; I believe they're impartial and I trust their integrity.

Or maybe you think they're doing a bad job? Which suppose is a different discussion altogether.

CendrillonSings · 27/03/2020 20:56

Did you hear the Editor of the Lancet last night?

You mean Richard Horton, the same man who said this in late January:

"A call for caution please. Media are escalating anxiety by talking of a “killer virus” + “growing fears”. In truth, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language."

Your oracle’s opinions shifted as new data came in, and so did the government’s.

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 21:01

With a direct link to the SAGE minutes themselves. Oh, did you not notice that in your rush to try to be clever

The papers are here.
I am reading them myself now. I have a Masters in Clinical Biochemistry which helps massively

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Fascinating reading

Especially on the actions in early February at PPE in London

ocarinan · 27/03/2020 21:02

I think it is pretty nasty that anyone would smile when someone else is ill.

What if his death would let teenagers sit their A-levels. Would that be okay?

nellodee · 27/03/2020 21:02

It's also possible to think that whilst Johnson has absolutely fucked this up, cost tens of thousands of lives that didn't have to be lost, that actually, we are still better off with him at the helm.

I am left wing to the bone, but even had we had a Corbyn landslide at the last election, I cannot see the Labour party having led business into a lockdown with the trust from the commercial sector that the Tory party has. If Labour had shut everything down, business would be rebelling complete.

Even if he has screwed things up, and I absolutely think he has, we may still be better off with his screw ups than the Labour party making the right decisions.

Sad as that is.

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 21:02

Feb 3rd

Action1: AH to check what is currently happening in London in regards to PPE for healthcare workers visiting symptomatic patients at home and what is or would be in place for a symptomatic person in a residential home.

chomalungma · 27/03/2020 21:03

Feb 3rd

3.39Health and social care workers providing care to individuals with respiratory symptoms should wear PPEthat is consistent with what is currently recommended but thismay change as the epidemic changes and the feasibility changes

So where is all the PPE that the NHS haven't got.