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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 34

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RosieSunset · 26/03/2020 13:38

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RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 03:27

Crunchy did you spot the importance of the last paragraph in that Iceland article

Iceland is fortunate enough to boast some of the best testing capacities in the world right now, although there is currently a EU-wide shortage of medical swabs, which means testing may be more difficult in the coming weeks. Over 10,000 samples have been taken to date, providing Icelandic scientists with invaluable data and allowing the country to become a world leader in research into the genetic make-up of the virus.

HeIenaDove · 29/03/2020 03:27

Does anyone know how many medics, cleaners , workers etc the NHS lost after people left the UK because they felt unwelcome after the Referendum result?

Somelady · 29/03/2020 04:54

@WhyNotMe40 you can buy reusable masks at Cambridge mask and Respillon. You will be waiting a while. There is a company called viral tech which has masks that need the filter changed. Or check amazon and eBay.

Horehound · 29/03/2020 06:46

I thought the pasta thing was because it keeps in the cupboard for a long time so if the shops were bare you'd still be able to have a meal 🤷

Eeyoresstickhouse · 29/03/2020 07:41

Someone up thread asked about Singapore and masks. Singaporeans normally wear masks if they themselves are sick. For example with a cold. They are also very quick to go to the GP (family doctor) for everything. They are actually quite a healthy nation and also very compliant. They get fined for everything normally, so more fines for Corona won't be any different to them. I have a lot of friends out there and they all have said they can't believe how the uk is handling it and so late as well.

Jrobhatch29 · 29/03/2020 07:42

Can anyone explain why the death rates are so high across the world? Its really freaking me out. Are 1 in 10 really dying in italy? X

Eeyoresstickhouse · 29/03/2020 07:56

jrob I think because they are all being compared to the Chinese figures. I personally believe we have been lied to by the chinese and the infection rate was much much higher than they have officially said.

middleager · 29/03/2020 08:00

Birmingham's Director of Public Health, Dr Justin Varney, is on the mend after a suspected case of Coronavirus.

In an interview he says:

"Hopefully it is Covid (19) and I am getting it out of the way because if it's not it was really rather nasty."

I find this a dangerous and irresponsible for somebody in his position as it states that you can 'get it out the way'.

Unless I have missed some vital evidence, I was not aware that you could get it out the way, without risk of catching it again. There is no evidence of immunity.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/health/birminghams-public-health-director-fears-18001088

Jrobhatch29 · 29/03/2020 08:15

@Eeyoresstickhouse i agree about china. Do you think the infection rate is much higher in other countries too x

Eeyoresstickhouse · 29/03/2020 08:28

jrob without a doubt. Take the UK. Due to the very limited testing we are doing they now say approx 1.6 million are likely to have the virus here now. The official figures say 17k but the likelihood is 1.6 million have it. Now multiply that to all the other countries and you can see how rampant it is.

Jrobhatch29 · 29/03/2020 08:30

So that means the death rate is artificially high? Thats what ive thought but had a "what the hell" moment this morning x

CrunchyCarrot · 29/03/2020 08:31

@RedToothBrush there is currently a EU-wide shortage of medical swabs, which means testing may be more difficult in the coming weeks.

Struggling to find who manufactures these swabs in Europe, BUT I did stumble across the company COPAN who makes swabs and guess where they are located? Brescia, Italy. They've been making a huge amount. And there's some kind of dispute going on.

www.copangroup.com/news-events/item/51-comunicato-stampa

We read with amazement and deep regret the article just published by Repubblica signed by the deputy director, Gianluca di Feo, entitled: "Coronavirus, half a million swabs from a company from Brescia to the United States". We believe it is right to point out the following, to protect the good name of Copan, of our employees and fellow citizens.

Copan Italia is a Brescia-based company, and is the world's leading manufacturer of collection and storage systems for microbiology. For years we have served the whole world with our devices and, in this phase of the global pandemic, we have been working tirelessly to supply the famous "swabs", in Italy and wherever they are needed. It should be clarified that the swab is only the sample collection device; other companies in the world are involved in producing and marketing the diagnostic tests to which the swabs are subjected in the laboratory. In recent weeks we have delivered over 1 million tampons to Italian hospitals; since the beginning of the epidemic, to date, March 19, 2020, about 200,000 tests have been carried out in Italy. It is evident that in Italy tampons are not in short supply, so much so that they are not subject to any export restrictions, unlike other articles for medical use.

Copan has been exporting to the United States for decades through distributors, which serve both the public and private sectors. Due to the scarcity of air cargo and the worsening of the Coronavirus crisis, the US government recently organized an airlift with a military cargo to urgently transport our swabs. Other shipments have been planned in the same way, also because the quantity sent is certainly not "impressive" compared to the population and above all to the number of tests that can be carried out weekly in the North American laboratories. There was no muted operation, the goods were regularly cleared through customs and sold at market prices, Copan did not sell to any government. And, above all, no tampons have been removed from Brescia, Lombardy, Italians or Europeans. La Repubblica's article contains a series of inaccuracies and allusions and is seriously damaging Copan's image: just take a look at the reactions of indignation provoked by him on social media a few hours after publication.

It also appears to us that the content has already been taken up by other press and media outlets, to further aggravate its impact. To have answers to the many questions raised, it would have been enough to consult us. The contradictory would also have made it possible to understand how far the dark portrait that emerges from reading the article is far from the ethics that distinguishes our group of people who, with enormous sacrifices, is making its contribution to the correct diagnosis of Covid-19 , everywhere in the world. Copan reserves the right to act in the competent judicial offices to protect its image.

Stefania Triva Chief Executive Officer
Copan Italia S.p.A.

I also found an article about the American company who make medical swabs - Puritan. Fascinating!

www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-coronavirus-puritan-medical-test-swab/

The coronavirus test uses a swab made with short fibers called “flock” (think: tiny polyester cilia, like nose hairs) that get placed on the end of a plastic applicator—wood can interfere with test results—creating a soft tip that will eventually (and gently, one hopes) get shoved up a patient’s nose.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 08:33

Can anyone explain why the death rates are so high across the world? Its really freaking me out. Are 1 in 10 really dying in italy? X

No one in ten are NOT dying in Italy.

Italy is only recording coronavirus when people present at hospital with it. That means there are a lot of people who have it who aren't being recorded as they are not serious enough to go to hospital.

You have to also appreciate that due to how overwhelmed hospitals are in Italy you have to be very sick to go to hospital in the first place. Probably more so than you normally would be before you would seek medical attention.

What's being recorded and observed in the data is therefore what percentage of those very sick hospital admissions are not recovering and are dying. That's a much smaller number than 1 in 10 because this doesn't count all the mild cases.

So we should not panic here. However there are still a lot of deaths so we should also take it seriously too.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 08:36

So that means the death rate is artificially high? Thats what ive thought but had a "what the hell" moment this morning x

Yes

Horehound · 29/03/2020 08:42

How can it be artificially high?

Horehound · 29/03/2020 08:42

Sorry got it now Blush

TheCanterburyWhales · 29/03/2020 08:54

The RATE is artificially high, like everywhere I suppose. Because it's % of tested.
And there are probably millions walking around untested.
The NUMBER of deaths is still appalling though.

So is the ever increasing number of people on other threads here who continue to churn out a combination of "the UK's situation is not bad at all" and "but they were all old anyway! Who cares!"

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 08:56

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-portugal-migrants-asylum-seekers-treatment-residents-a9431831.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585468337
Coronavirus: Portugal to treat migrants as residents during pandemic
They will be free to use country’s health service, welfare system, bank accounts, and work and rental contracts

On a practical level this is a good idea tbh. Public health relies on everyone being tested / treated if they have covid-19.

General status in society affects this, so trying to level the playing field is a wise move.

Jrobhatch29 · 29/03/2020 08:58

Thanks everyone. I think i was just having a panic moment. Dont know if you have all seen but the uk has published a report on the icu cases www.icnarc.org/About/Latest-News/2020/03/27/Report-On-775-Patients-Critically-Ill-With-Covid-19

Canklesforankles · 29/03/2020 09:00

@Bercows just wondering if anyone can help you with the family voucher collection?

covidmutualaid.org/ has a list of local groups with volunteers. Our local group is delivering food from takeaways and local restaurants at no charge as well.

Canklesforankles · 29/03/2020 09:01

Sorry fsm voucher

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 09:15

www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/03/why-are-germany-s-and-austria-s-coronavirus-death-rates-so-low
Why are Germany’s and Austria’s coronavirus death rates so low?
Among several possible factors, “testing, testing, testing” is the big one

Article covers the fact they are testing more, able to intervene earlier as a result, have more hospital capacity, the fact they have similar measures in place to elsewhere and explores the possibility that authorities aren't assigning comorbid deaths to Covid-19 to the same extent. All stuff that is talked about here.

One of the things not so much talked about is cultural differences. The article talks about adherence and respect for rules (which goes hand in hand with public trust in government and science).

The more interesting observation is about how decentralised Germany is compared to the uk or France. There isn't the same population density in small areas which the UK has in big cities. Nor does it have the same overcrowding issues on public transport as its decentralised. Housing on average big and its easier to observe social distancing as things are more spread out. They are also trying to make use of migrants with medical training rather than have their equivalent of the home office hound them for visa application fees in the middle of a public health crisis.

There are definitely reasons in here why the UK is going to have more issues than other countries regardless of the measures the government put in place.

It's an interesting read.

EmeraldShamrock · 29/03/2020 09:16

My Dutch friend has been surprised at just how bad our supermarket problems are here. She's had shortages of certain things but nothing like the scale we have witnessed in the UK Same in Ireland no real shortages, toilet paper and pasta piled high in every store.

woodencoffeetable · 29/03/2020 09:27

the dutch are also quite compliant. plus police is well staffed and visible.
in addition it's the shop's obligation to make sure social distancing and hygiene measures are adhered to. fines are huge.
our local supermarket has made the shop a one way system with spots on the floor to show the distance. upon entry you have to use the hand gel provided and you are given a trolley that has been washed with disinfectant between uses.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2020 09:30

www.euronews.com/2020/03/29/netherlands-recalls-hundreds-of-thousands-of-defective-chinese-face-masks?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585470142
Netherlands recalls hundreds of thousands of defective Chinese face masks

The Netherlands has recalled hundreds of thousands of face masks imported from China after they were found to be defective, the health ministry announced on Saturday.

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