Worried About Coronavirus- thread 34

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The problem is also very regionalised in the UK. London is a particular problem because of the expense of warehousing in the capital. Places like Devon and Cornwall are at ends of the supply chain.

Devon and Cornwall will be particularly interesting as during the tourist season the amount supermarkets put on the shelves is adjusted to be significantly higher to meet demand.

But that won't happen this year. Where are all those people this year? The supermarkets planning system does not have this factored in appropriately. They might be able to work out where stuff needs to go, but there is a massive distribution to their normal modelling.

I have been wondering if the reason for pasta and so on selling out is due to people being reliant on catering, ready meals etc.

You can't stock pile ready meals, so if you cannot (or think you cannot) cook, it causes panic. But anyone can throw some pasta in a pan and put tins of sauce onto it.

My local veg supplier has been going for six or seven years. We've been with them most of that and know them well.

They doubled their customer base in 10 days and have now stopped taking on anymore customers.

They've stressed not to waste anything we are supplied.

I think they are feeling very responsible for the local community but they are a single point of failure too.

What happens if they get sick? Everyone they supply has to look elsewhere for food.

Did you see the Russian doctor on the BBC news in a packed church, she claimed you can't catch the virus in gods house.

Some of South Korea's biggest super-spreaders were religious worshipers.

I watched an interview with a leading virus expert in SK and he mentions it

Well, the Tesco groceries website seemed to crash bang on midnight

You can't stock pile ready meals, so if you cannot (or think you cannot) cook, it causes panic. But anyone can throw some pasta in a pan and put tins of sauce onto it.

Bingo.

My Dutch friend has been surprised at just how bad our supermarket problems are here. She's had shortages of certain things but nothing like the scale we have witnessed in the UK.

It's not people stockpiling excessively either. Despite talk to the contrary.

The delivery/click and collect section is still down.

So if there is food insecurity eating healthily will get harder.

Less processed food will be available. So the reverse might be true.

If you can cook.

It's not the eating healthy bit you want to worry about. It's the eating bit. As in having food and being able to afford it as prices go up.

Well, the Tesco groceries website seemed to crash bang on midnight

Wouldn't read too much into that tonight.

Some nerd can't programme properly.

It's clock change night. System crashing at midnight on clocks change night is a programming issue.

(DH has a thing about this particular problem and the inability of far too many programmers to get their heads around it.)

Oh i agree Red. Shit all round.

It gives me chills that we have a PM who bragged that we'd be pleased to know he visited a hospital and shook hands with sick people including possible Covid-19 patients. (And we're supposed to rush out and applaud for this irresponsible idiot - why?)

And we have a governing party that turned down the chance to acquire the PPE our medical workers badly need because they are not BFFs with the EU anymore.

I know things hadn't progressed so far two weeks ago but we were literally watching other countries go through it! Did they think Brexit made us all immune to illnesses that originated outside the UK?! Imagine our government had taken this seriously from the start instead of treating it like a joke...

Article on wearing masks:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/would-everyone-wearing-face-masks-help-us-slow-pandemic#

I don't want to get too much into the Brexit stuff on this thread tbh.

But it is relevant in a number of ways and unfortunately it does seem to have been a factor in a couple of questionable decisions. Whether that's the true story I don't know.

Reality is that a lot of our trade deals that have rolled over are on the basis of good faith. In a situation where there are food shortages that won't go far. Our system is already being tested by the changes that Brexit needs and a crisis of this kind during that period is about the last thing we need even if you think those changes are good and necessary.

It leaves us exposed more than other places and more than we would have pre 2016.

That's not a good place to be in right now.

Article on lessons from Italy's response :
hbr.org/2020/03/lessons-from-italys-response-to-coronavirus

Mail on Sunday.

Interesting polling results.

@RedToothBrush

Can you imagine one minute bring a relatively new and insignificant MP and the next you are not only Chancellor, you also have newspapers calling you "Dishy Rishi" and saying the public would choose you to lead in the event of the current PM bring indisposed? It must be mind boggling!

Well it's like they can't prioritise.
Masks
Oxygen
Ventilators
All imports I expect. Knowing if lots of countries get this they will all be fighting for these.

Worrying about self employed etc unemployment less important as you could suspend water council tax has electric and nobody travelling so less travel and fuel costs. So mainly fuel.
Could have increased child benefit or tax credits temporarily.
I don't know but if there plan was herd then they should!!! Have had oxygen and ventilators etc more than any other country if they wanted a huge spike.

Tbh too the fiction that masks don't help fits with everyone getting it.
Making kids Ill is is not sensible either as if my dd2 has permanent lung damage that could cost a list in treatment and she's only 5.

If they know this will last a year I think hunting at that would be good as hopefully sensible people would put off ttc. As there maybe fewer surgeons and mw and nurses

MoS are also reporting that Johnson has been warned by scientists that the infection rate of covid-19 is so high that the Chinese government figures can't possibly be right. They are likely to be 15 to 40 times higher.

www.newsweek.com/more-50-doctors-italy-have-now-died-coronavirus-1494781?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
MORE THAN 50 DOCTORS IN ITALY HAVE NOW DIED FROM CORONAVIRUS

Question: we have the excel centre being built. It's being kitted out for thousands.

So which highly skilled staff are we bringing in to deal with the sheer numbers?

FIFTY DOCTORS

Im watching a 1989 TOTP on BBC4 and feeling very sad

My 16 year old self had no idea.................what was coming.

The side effects of covid-19 expose yet another little story...

Apparently in Vancouver because Airbnb is up shit creek because there are no tourists and no one moving about the country, 4500 fully furnished apartments have just appeared in listings which will help to ease housing problems in the city.

Have there been any updates on possible treatment? I know the anti-malarial was being used in several countries before Trump mentioned it. Also the HIV drugs, and there's the Gilead Science one, Remsedivir.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/10/hopes-rise-over-experimental-drugs-effectiveness-against-coronavirus

That article's a few weeks old. Out of date perhaps but my suspicion is these drugs do help some patients and it's not being shouted about because we don't have enough. As noted in the article Doctors in the UK have been told there is a limited supply of remdesivir available on request.
I wonder if Boris is being treated with one of these drugs?

Yes imagine if it turns out they could have treated it but
Didnt want too
Too expensive
They turned down the drugs

Like the masks/ventilators...,
But if the drugs were stopping replication they would make less contagious too. So fewer dead dr and nurses.

I dont think china info is necessarily wrong.
Just if you are that busy data isnt most critical
Many likely died at home
If diverent blood types make a difference
Masks
Total shutdown
Ability to get help from rest of china and possibly the world
Compliant population
I doubt they were allowed out for exercise only 1 person for food.

They stopped transport too i think.
Just a death rate is not finite/fixed nhs have many fewer beds too.

Well, this is disturbing... a man in Iceland infected with 2 strains of Covid-19 simultaneously. It really is the virus that keeps on giving.

grapevine.is/news/2020/03/24/patient-infected-with-two-strains-of-covid-19-in-iceland/

So which highly skilled staff are we bringing in to deal with the sheer numbers?

highly skilled staff - from what I have gleaned elsewhere, some will be final year med and nursing students. Lucky them.