And I shall say it again. We are allowed out once a day for fresh air

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It's like there is competitive isolation or folk who think they know better than government guidelines.

The latter is what I was referring to when I referred to a certain kind of poster.

Sure. I was not particularly disagreeing. More ranting because the MN Hyacinths have been annoying me today.

This thread is completely bonkers.

I and my 4 children went for our "allowed" exercise today which was walking around our local park on a lovely day. There were lots of other walkers and everybody kept their distance (as did we). We live in a busy part of London. There really is no hysteria and everybody was being safe. Until we are told not to go out for some exercise then we shall do it every day. The thought of our daily walk being up and down our street of terraced houses is very grim.

Sure. I was not particularly disagreeing. More ranting because the MN Hyacinths have been annoying me today.

Oh I'm right there with you on that!

Tabbymumz I am not saying only adults. I am saying only 2 adults - they could take their children with them. It would stop the silly things that people are doing going out in groups of 6 adults exercising in parks with equipment.

Today I saw a group of adults sitting on a rug with a picnic while their children played in a park- that is not going out for exercise.
There were 4 who had taken gym equipment to the park i front of our house to exercise together in a group. They told someone they share a house. It might be true but it is 'socialising' which isn't what this is about at all.

I must say that the roads were eerily quiet though. It was a bit like 28 Days Later

TBF though donquixote, it is happening both ways.

Absolutely. Last week the 'it's just flu' lot were annoying me more but today has been bizzare for the sheer number of little Hitlers on here.

My local facebook group is dreadful. There was a post up earlier from someone who could see the playground of one of the primary schools open to key worker kids, and she was complaining that the member of staff supervising the children was not enforcing their remaining 2m from one another at all times.

Yeah the ones who'd be grassing you to the Nazi state are coming out the woodwork. It's fascinating actually. The ones who want to be seen to be doing loads for the community.

The self-appointed enforcers though (with no powers at all) are intent on belittling and name-calling. That's what they do, all they are capable of.

Is this all referring to one supposed group of people - the so called nazis (offensive obvs) and the name callers, are they the same people? This thread seems to be saying yeah it brings out the worst in people, but at the same time the thread is also being unkind about people.

Surely everyone is worried and that is making some twitchy about whether the lockdown has gone far enough, and others feel too restricted already?

To all these people on this thread trying to bend or justify the rules, it just astounds me how selfish you are all being arguing over this and that. Just stay in! In spain they are using an ice rink to store dead bodies in as their mortuaries are full. Some of things i'm reading are ridiculous - i'm allowed to go out and tend to my allotment. Leave your bloody cabbages to die unless you potentially want one of your relatives to end up stored at your local ice rink. UK is going the same way as Spain and Italy and all the bickering about this and that is truly pathetic.

It’s not very nice though. People are upset enough as it is. Really disturbing the way some enjoy trying to make everything worse
Completely agree no ones to be locked down but at least we can get fresh air at a safe distance and if need be go to the shop for essentials. It's boring but it is what it is for now , I hope it's enough, there are still people going to work getting the tube I wouldn't worry about the family walking the dog .

Yes. We will be living like this for some time. It would be so counter productive if everyone emerged from isolation hugely unfit, overweight and depressed. ALL these things kill too you know. Still far more likely to get cancer or diabetes than Coronavirus. It seems it has been confirmed today that it would in fact be preferable to drive a short distance to exercise in more remote places, than all ‘run round the block’. A lot of very rude posters on here that probably owe a few others an apology. All of our household (inc. 1 fairly high risk) have just driven 5 mins to the most glorious woodland for a 1.5 hour walk, we didn’t see anyone else. We got our fresh air, exercise and mental healing. I appreciate we are very lucky to be able to do this, but according to some people on here it’s as bad as going round coughing on people

This thread seems to be saying yeah it brings out the worst in people, but at the same time the thread is also being unkind about people.

I think the distinction is that a loud group of posters have been very aggressive to people personally and directly. I don't think decrying that behaviour in the abstract is the same.

The point that a calmer tone is better is well made though.

it can come across as no one wants anyone to have an easier time than them or any advantage

the number of posters showing such a lack of empathy and a resistance to engage their brain is like nothing I've seen before

The glee from posters on a thread last night where there were parents with shared custody worrying that the lockdown would mean they weren't seeing their children was disturbing

they get to feel important by telling people how stupid/illiterate/awful they are

Agree with all this and the other comments upthread. There is a handful - it is still a relative handful, thank goodness - of horrifically unpleasant, non-too-bright posters, who are being outright bullies on these threads, under the guise of 'caring more.'

It will settle down again. I'm glad the normal folk are still posting. We need normal right now.

thisismynewname fair enough, just saying 2-3 hrs exercise a day is surely unusual for most people? Quite an eye opener really how much exercise some people

It's not really. On a normal day I would walk for at least 20 minutes on my commute to work, and then be on my feet for 6 ish hours at work.
I also walk to shops, walk to friends houses, walk in the woods, take an exercise class once a week, go swimming..so 2 or 3 hours a day of walking somewhere very open and quiet is not loads for me, and I don't consider myself very fit.
I went running in woods close to my house in the morning at around 7 am this morning (saw no one and didn't sit anywhere or touch anything) and I went out in the afternoon with dc for about an hors walk. When we saw anyone we crossed the street.
People just have to be sensible. Personally, being outdoors helps with the stress of waiting in a queue of 40000 people who are all trying to claim benefits at the same time and wondering how I am going to feed my family.

PertElla well on another thread, they were behaving as if they'd receive delegated powers from the PM himself. Utterly ridiculous but it was the first time I'd laughed today.

But to be fair wobblywinelover there is no issue with taking a walk down to your allotment to check on your veg. The issue is staying there amongst hordes of people instead of going home and trying again later.

And yes, the little Hitlers are doing my head in. There is a particular sort of person who is relishing all of this.

Some of things i'm reading are ridiculous - i'm allowed to go out and tend to my allotment. Leave your bloody cabbages to die unless you potentially want one of your relatives to end up stored at your local ice rink.

Stop being so ridiculous - it was confirmed today that allotments are absolutely fine. This is exactly the sort of Stasi-esque comment people are referring to. The actual government have said we are allowed to exercise, so I'm not sure why you're inventing your own rules.

@wobblywinelover Nobody is bending the rules. We're allowed to go out for exercise which is both physically and mentally important.

We are going the way of Italy and Spain. Not going out for some exercise whilst keeping your distance from others isn't going to change that.

It's like competitive wankery on this site at the moment, it's fucking tedious.

Beautifully put.

Thank goodness for some of the replies on this post. The disgusting way people have been speaking to others on here the last week or so has really been getting to me. I am fairly close to deleting my profile which would be a shame because I’ve had a lot from here over the years. But the absolute horrible way some people have entered the “I’m considerably more locked down than you” olympics has pretty much ruined it.

Yep, I am about at that stage too. Mostly, heartbroken that when things get tough, so many people are frothing at the mouth to judge and insult and police others and make them feel even worse. Like they can offload their own pain on others with impunity.

To all these people on this thread trying to bend or justify the rules, it just astounds me how selfish you are all being arguing over this and that.
I don't think anyone is bending the rules , going to someone's allotment is exercise as long as no one else is there with you ? Probably less risk than going for a run as you can pass other runners .
Let's be clear you can go out once a day if someone spends a hour a day on their allotment thats fine , all day no as the likely hood you could meet other allotment users it's not bending the rules or being selfish.
I'm interested what do you think isn't selfish exercise wise ?

Allotments are quite big and no need to go near anyone. Also, it's growing food, so less need to shop! Grow your vegetables people.

Is competitive isolation becoming the new MN competitive under eating?!

Wobblywinelover nope, the current instructions are that we don't have to stay in. We can tend our allotments (why would anyone want fresh vegetables to die?) and exercise in the open air, as long as we practice social distancing. Those are clear instructions from Boris and his team of scientific advisors, so why do you think you know better than them?

We should be sticking together, helping each other pick our way through the minutiae of 'the rules', so that we follow them in the sense of what was intended, without abdicating all commonsense. The government doesn't have time to do that so we could and should.

Agree with this totally.

I live in a rural-ish area, I'm not driving for exercise. If we were all having to circle 400m of our houses we'd be more crowded. If you have to drive avoid fucking canals and motorway paths like the Stratford bloody greenway if you are in the midlands. Download and pay £20 a year for the OS app and use a bit of imagination.

People on here are now wittering on about an hour and 'not walking too far'. These are made up. You need to stay away from people, not use toilets and be careful with stiles and gates. That's what matters. Oh and avoiding hospital so cut the cycling time trials and ride carefully.

It's not about avoiding contagion for a lot of mumsnetters it's about no one daring to actually enjoy themselves for a short time.