And I shall say it again. We are allowed out once a day for fresh air

[Borkins]

It's like there is competitive isolation or folk who think they know better than government guidelines.

"TabbymumzAnd that is my point - he should have limited it to 2 adults out at any time together whether there are more in the household or not. In Germany it is 2 adults limit. It is clear, the same for everyone and not open to manipulation by groups of friends. It is also less of a 'group' which is much better for distancing."

I dont agree. He is allowing more than 2 in a household group out so as single parents, or parents at home can go to the shops without leaving vulnerable children at home. If you are all together at home, dont see why you cant all go for a walk together, as long as you are able to social distance.

@vegas888 they're producing them. Boris reckons they're like a pregnancy test that you don't wee on. They should detect if you have it and if you've had it

But has it been ascertained that you cant get it more than once?

Or still be a carrier?

Finally a post with an ounce of common sense! The post earlier about the woman being berated for driving to a deserted wood for her daily exercise (instead of her busy town) was absolutely bonkers. Most of the comments were bordering on hysteria, with an unforgivable amount of SHOUTY REPLIES IN CAPITALS.

I imagine that the posters who are squawking about how everybody should be locked inside their houses for the next six months have lovely big houses with acres of land. We live in a shoebox with two young children. We're going out for a daily walk around our very quiet village come hell or high water.

I've been here a similar length of time and I'd agree. This has always been the kind of forum which has attracted a certain type of poster who is just keen to argue regardless of the topic, but at the minute the number of posters showing such a lack of empathy and a resistance to engage their brain is like nothing I've seen before.

I enjoy a good argument. There is a world of difference between arguing, even robustly, and this rabid need to criticise and police others.

I think it's been going this way for a while. Loads of threads get derailed by virtue signalling, accusations of racism/ageism/classism for the use of the most inncouous phrases and by the insistence that all humour is offensive.

Now the CV has just given the offencemongers a cause to unite around.

Hundredmilesanhour

Lucky you that you are fit and healthy enough to go for a run while judging people that have the temerity to sit on a bench to be pisstakers. I’ve got M.E and can only do limited exercise. I don’t have the energy to go out for exercise every day but when I do I sometimes sit on a bench halfway through a shortish walk.

But I stuck to the rules. Then I see hundreds of people packed on tubes, trains, etc. Builders milling about next to each other.

I doubt they're 'milling about'. Travelling to work and doing their jobs, maybe. Not everyone has the option to work from home.

TBF though donquixote, it is happening both ways. For every 'I'm dealing myself away and if you dont you're responsible for millions of deaths' theres a 'I'm still going to have parties and no one can stop me, anyway flu kills more people and I'm young so wont get it too bad'

Yeah the ones who'd be grassing you to the Nazi state are coming out the woodwork. It's fascinating actually. The ones who want to be seen to be doing loads for the community.

If your going out just want fresh air open a bloody window

If we never step outside, never mind CV-19, we will all die of Vit D deficiency!

So many people assuming that lockdown means nail yourself into your house...you aren't going to catch it going for a walk in the middle of nowhere with nobody about to catch it FROM.

As long as people don't piss about, and keep their distance from others, wash their hands when they get in, should all be fine to go out!

Thanks GinnyStrupac. Ds's special school has now shut due to shortage of staff and we have no respite so I was dreading not being able to get my keeping me sane run in.
When out with ds we will spend a lot of our time stopping him touching or licking anything or lying in the road. It is not a time that helps our mental well being.

I enjoy a good argument. There is a world of difference between arguing, even robustly, and this rabid need to criticise and police others.

The latter is what I was referring to when I referred to a certain kind of poster.

It's also a golden opportunity for the hygiene police to get hugely overexcited. There's always a slight view that someone is a dirty slattern if they don't shower at least twice a day and wash towels and bedding after each use, but it's multiplied at the moment so that if your entire household isn't sprayed with bleach every 15 minutes, you're killing people.

Everyone will get bored soon though.

As long as people don't piss about, and keep their distance from others, wash their hands when they get in, should all be fine to go out!

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in other countries on lockdown there have been specific guidelines for this though, like no more than 400m from your house, which I think is perfectly sensible

I don't see how circling our local streets 400m from our house, where the elderly are getting their exercise, is preferable to doing our usual 5 mile loop where we would pass fewer people overall. We may drive 10 minutes to local woodland another day, I don't see the problem with that.

Theyre now saying in books you’re not entitled to go out for exercise but should be staying in. It’s like they live in a parallel universe and ignore everything the government says.

Maybe we'll get big brother style morning exercise sessions soon

it can come across as no one wants anyone to have an easier time than them or any advantage.

People show their true nature in times of crisis.

Good thread, Borkins, anything that knocks the vile, goady ones off the page.

We should be sticking together, helping each other pick our way through the minutiae of 'the rules', so that we follow them in the sense of what was intended, without abdicating all commonsense. The government doesn't have time to do that so we could and should.

The self-appointed enforcers though (with no powers at all) are intent on belittling and name-calling. That's what they do, all they are capable of. We should ignore them, post around them, and concentrate on being equal members of a chatboard that we choose to spend time on.

It’s not very nice though. People are upset enough as it is. Really disturbing the way some enjoy trying to make everything worse.

A lot of posters here won't be satisfied until we are all rending our garments and self flagellating. They want us to be so fucking miserable & terrified we’ll welcome the virus as a blissful release from life.

Nothing whatsoever to do with reducing contagion just being an utter twat. I have reported more posts in the last three days than I have in the previous ten years on mumsnet.

I went to the beach today for a walk with my dog, DH and four DC.

It is 5 minutes from my house, and when the tide is out (which it was) it is huge. No change of being anywhere near anyone else, never mind 2 meters (there is even space in July and August.)

While we were out, a noticed two old women who stood together from a distance , staring over in a really obvious way. They actually walked closer to have a better look. A bit later, an old couple, who were walking down the beach, actually pointed over and were shaking their heads!

It was making me feel really nervous and I felt like I wanted to go home. DH said to me “They are walking on the same beach we are walking on”. Which was a fair point.

There are people around who are looking for a fight or an argument at the best of times. And now, while they are nervous and emotions are heightened , I think it will bring out an even worse side of those people.

The self-appointed enforcers though (with no powers at all) are intent on belittling and name-calling.

Well it's not as if they're going to be breaking the seal around their front doors to come and lock you in