Please settle argument over Boris’s latest restrictions

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DD(13) thinks he can carry on his paper round. I say no.

Who is right?

Thank you sunshine

@Nuttyboy76 See the footnote on p1. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874738/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

There’s no hint that this can’t be by car.

”What’s to stop people all heading off to Mount Snowdon again and claiming it’s their exercise for the day”
The police.

What police? There are already insufficient police.

Tricky one.

I believe you can order paints and wallpaper etc from B&Q for delivery. Is that essential? I'd say no but it's still allowed to happen.
So I would the delivery of newspapers is the same. But as others have pointed out newspapers are pretty unhygienic and could well help spread this virus around therefore I won't be buying a newspaper or magazine for the foreseeable.
But I suppose as long as they allowed to be sold then delivery of them should be allowed.

The rules, as explained by BJ, is that if you can work from home then do. He did not say only key workers are to work outside of the home. I am thinking the paper boy is allowed to deliver papers, until the newsagent shuts up shop.

Would I be happy with my son potentially putting his, mine and our family members lives at risk, just to deliver papers? No.

Would it be life threatening if he did not deliver the papers? No.

I would do what is the most basic rule to keep me and my family safe. WE ARE STAYING HOME. My son would not be doing his paper round.

I have no wish to find loopholes around work, exercise blah blah. The message is STAY HOME. STAY SAFE. That’s what we will do for as long as it takes.

@daisypond But that is none the less the measure that changed with BJ's speech yesterday. I'm not saying that it'll work. I'm stating what's been put in place by the government to stop crowds of people doing their daily exercise in groups at Snowden (or anywhere)

Just stay at home. Really, if you don’t measure will get stricter and last for longer.

Think of vulnerable people, my dm is already in a panic at the thought of not seeing anyone for 3 weeks (over 70) she’s already done a week alone. She’s recently widowed.

By not complying you are making life even more unpleasant for her and thousands like her. All for some broccoli/ chard or pretending the dog can only crap on the beach. Be sensible. Then we can start our new normal.

No, he cant.

Everyone is to stay at home. Paper round is non essential.

Where did he say only work that is considered essential can be done? He didn’t,

www.gov.uk/coronavirus

"Only go outside for food, health reasons or essential work"

He did not restrict work to only “essential” or “necessary” work.

If you (or anyone else) has a job (any job) then you may continue to travel to it if you can’t do it at home.

Whether you’d want to is another matter but Johnson’s exception allows for travel to work.

Travel too work not for work

Paper delivery is essential. Will stop shielding vulnerable people having to go out to get one. A significant number of people don’t have the internet. Maybe see if she can go very early?

Paper delivery is essential

No. It really is not!

Staying safe is essential

What police? There are already insufficient police

They did say that the military could augment police, and I think turning people back would be a suitable role. You’d need one bobby pet site with arrest powers just in case.

And after a couple of weeks, people would stop trying (I hope)

@If1knewiwouldnotbehere it’s three weeks to see if we can significantly slow spread. What is it you don’t understand about that?

@Bluntness100
“He didn’t say just “key workers”. Why do people,think he did? It’s mind boggling that he said one thing and some people heard something else entirely.”
Initial No10 briefing specified key workers and Sadiq Khan is saying key workers. It’s rapidly changing and not always clear.

What part of your must stay at home’ do people not understand . Your child’s paper round is not essential .

God the level of intelligence in this country is mad , all these people trying to find a loophole . If we are being told that we must stay at home otherwise thousands will die then do that .

Use some common sense. The sim is to cut the spread by all staying at home and not seeing other people or touching things other people have touched. Is the activity I am proposing comparable with that aim? If not don’t do it . Of course the guidance is generalised they cannot possibly over every single permutation of 55 m people’s lives .

Which is going to spread disease more - one delivery person taking papers from shop and delivering to doorstep.

Or people each going to the newsagent to buy one?

@Really12345 papers are not essential in 2020, if they don’t have the internet they will have the TV.

Say the OPs son is harbouring the virus and sheds it onto every paper , or even if the newsagent has the virus . If he delivers 30 papers to households of two people each that’s 60 people minimum infected .

@5zeds it’s three weeks to see if we can significantly slow spread. What is it you don’t understand about that?

I don't understand what you think will happen after 3 weeks. Your initial statement implied that it's only 3 weeks, of semi-lockdown and then we'll be okay to go back to normal, not that it's 3 weeks to see what will happen and if it's working what next? do we continue for another 3 weeks or if it's not working does it get stricter.

You claim to understand but cannot clarify for people, then want to behave as if people are stupid for not understanding your inconclusive statement. Hope you understand, but I'm sure you're way of thinking is the only way.

@Peaseblossom22 I agree not essential. But I know my elderly father will go to the shops daily for his if they are not delivered.

I am a key worker, I cannot work from home. I now cannot get to work as I don’t drive, and it’s not somewhere I can get public transport to. (Usually MIL will drop me off in return for food). My boss has offered to pick me up, is this allowed?
Sorry, I just can’t get a clear answer anywhere. I don’t go anywhere else at all, only leave my house for work and essential shopping but usually OH (who drives) gets that for me.

@octoegg That is clearer. But I know most people won't read it.

People are stupid , the world is not black and white or even grey , why can they not understand the conditional tense . What is true is that if we don’t do this we will die in our thousands and Johnson did spell that out very clearly I thought ( and I am no fan of the man)

Stay at home and we might ( yes might none of us know for certain) manage to mitigate those numbers . Of course it’s possible it won’t work but if we don’t try it definitely won’t .

The government is not the only entity to blame for this virus spreading we have to take some responsibility ourselves . Do we want people to die in their thousands? Answer:No , so do everything you can, even if it seems annoying or ridiculous. In making a decision about whether to go out err on the side of caution, why do people need to be made to do things just use your brain and do the right thing morally .