Please settle argument over Boris’s latest restrictions

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DD(13) thinks he can carry on his paper round. I say no.

Who is right?

Its hardly essential though is it

Might be for some. Do you really not know any elderly people who don't have a computer and don't have a TV?

Off the top of my head I can think of two, one of whom is severely deaf and so doesn't have a radio.

For some people, probably the type of people who get papers delivered anyway, it maybe their only source of news information which is important at the moment.

I think your child can continue to do the paper round as it is work that cannot be done from home and is an essential service for some elderly people. As others have said, otherwise they may be lured to going to the shop to get it themselves which is worse.

Did the badgers start the fire?

No I think it was a raccoon

That's two separate households. As long as they were 2 metres apart...

Why has this cause so much confusion? So many threads showing a lack of basic comprehension.

Boris said one of the four exceptions was to go to work if your role can’t be done from home.

He didn’t say just “key workers”. Why do people,think he did? It’s mind boggling that he said one thing and some people heard something else entirely.

So yes your son can do his paper round but needs to practice social distancing when he does..

No. Seriously no

You can go to work if your work can’t be done from home

Yes. You can go to work. Even if you’re not a key worker.

PMs speech was a bit ambiguous but advice in government website much clearer.

I work in an aerospace factory. They are insisting we stay open and we have to go in.

Any thoughts?

I thought he clearly said you can go to work if your job can't be done from
home. This is backed up by the screenshot I've attached from the official PM Facebook page.

He did not say only key workers can work.

I'm a dog walker, most other walkers have closed their business but I've many customers who need me and I'm struggling to let them down given Boris did not say I have to stop working?

I actually wish he had said only key workers could work- but he didn't, so I carry on yes?

@ripples101

Honestly, Boris’ statement this evening is as clear as day. Only idiots or ignorant people won’t understand it.

Yet the irony is you seem to think he meant something he didn’t say...

Look we are on lockdown. He was really clear. A 13 year old doing a paper round - no. Pottering in an allotment - no. Dog walking business - no. You leave your house for (essential) work, food and medical stuff. And maybe for a walk or something. It's not difficult.

And when I say a walk or something you either walk your dog or go for a stroll BY your house. No driving to "that" country park.

We need to reduce transmission. That's what it boils down to.

What part of "You must stay at home apart from essential travel" do people not understand? Seriously.
There’s been loads of people saying that it’s fine to drive somewhere to have a walk on the beach etc. So people are going to get in their cars to head off to their exercise. They don’t get it.

Paper round is hardly fucking essential. Plus, as it's spread by hands it's the perfect way to infect hundreds of old people. Don't be stupid. He must not do his paper round.

I actually think a paper round is essential. Newspapers have always been deemed essential in times of crisis. It’s how many elderly and housebound people get their news and information.

My son has a paper round and it’s not been cancelled, the PO he does it from is very responsible and leading the community response to this.

Every person on his round is either elderly or disabled.

I doubt any / many have access to the internet.

You don’t transmit the virus via paper.

Yes, you are allowed to go out for work if that work cannot be done from home

Up to the newsagent (a category of shop permitted to remain open) if they decide to continue their delivery option

Allotments - food production - needs greater clarity. They are large enough that people can remain well spaced. And people can’t rush to get one to just to break the rules as waiting lists are crazily long

From the gov online document

“These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.”

I hardly think going to the allotment is minimising time spent outside the home.

I'm going to my allotment. It's solitary, a very short walk from my house and if I don't all my purple sprouting broccoli that's ready now will go to waste. I don't think now is the time for wasting food. I use it as exercise.

You don’t transmit the virus via paper.
You definitely do. It lives on surfaces, including paper, cardboard, metal, plastic, clothing etc, for hours to days..

unambiguousbeard

No idea. Can I go to my allotment?
No. This doesn't fit into any of the categories which he says we are allowed out for.

Fucking vague as ever
He's never been clearer.

So I’m in Germany where we have very similar measures in place, and this is how it works here:

• papers are still delivered, as is all post
• anyone who cannot wfh can go to work. Companies have put various new rules in place to make sure they comply with the general rules (spacing, hand washing etc)
• you can go outside any time but are asked to do so only for essential shopping or exercise either alone or with the people you live with or max 1 other person
• smaller shops that are open eg grocer, chemist, you can only go into on your own (ie not bring the kids or partner) and they limit how many are in there at a time

So here both of those activities would definitely be allowed. Obviously doesn’t mean it’s exactly the same in the uk but just for comparison.

Boris said to use deliveries where ever possible. The paper round could expand.

More people have ordered paper delivery. They are elderly who used to walk to the shop daily, now isolated.

There is a 12year old on a vent in Dublin.
I know what my decision for my child would be