Full lockdown? Yes or No?

[SoleBizzz]

Yes

I read an interesting comment that pointed out that if we had surrendered quickly before World War 2 we could have saved many, many lives, I wonder how many of those calling for lock down now would have called for surrender then?

What a ridiculoius comparison! Gathering in a park in huge numbers, going to the pub, shopping unecessarily etc would not have accelerated the Nazi agenda. It will hasten the spread of the virus.

We need to have some sort of official rules because half the population of the UK are too stupid to act accordingly and slow down the spread of the virus. They are putting all of us at risk by thier actions. You cannot argue with stupid/selfish idiots.

I dont want to lose my civil liberties, and I bet there will be some sort of 'soft lockdown' knowing Boris's reaction to this so far, but I would rather have a lockdown than get the damm virus due to someone elses stupidity.

What I'd prefer actually is closure of all non-essential businesses. So all shops, hairdressers, nail salons, estate agents, amusement arcades - absolutely everything except food shops, pharmacies and post offices. All the people I see wandering around towns and browsing in shops shouldn't be there - so take away the temptation. The other thing I would do is insist that everyone returns to their primary residence and fine anyone who doesn't.

Yes. My service user is high risk and in quarantine. She has a team of staff. They (us) are terrified of infecting her because of other people's stupidity.

There are large groups of teenagers still meeting up in parks and walking around. Their parents are presumably at work. This alone poses a threat.

I oppose ID cards, I oppose military enforcement of civil rules. I oppose martial law. It might just be justified in this case but let's please do the scrutiny required.

Spot on - people fought and died for the freedom we have now - surrendering it lightly isn't an option. The trouble is, most of us are so used to being able to do so much, that we have no idea what a difficult, long and brutal struggle it was - even to get a decent length working day, and to stop children as young as four grafting on 12 hour shifts in factories, let alone being able to vote etc.

It's not so very long ago.

That actually isn't true. 6 million Jews were exterminated in occupied Europe, Slavs would have been next. (I'm half Czech so my family wouldn't have survived most likely. Gays were persecuted as well, as were gypsies.

And the "useless mouths" - the very old, the very ill, the mentally ill, the special needs . . . do you have a child with autism? A parent with dementia? Suffer severe depression?

They would have been murdered, too.

Full lock down is coming. Which I really didn’t want. I know for a fact the Paras have been prepped and are just waiting for the nod. They will also be setting up stations outside stores.

I’ve been social distancing for nearly three weeks now as I have vulnerable people in my family. I’ve gone by the rules but I really did not want this.

Full lock down is crazy.
If this lasts well over a year it’ll kill as many as it saves - not to mention the mental health and economic crisis.

Full lockdown will not kill as many as it saves. It is however avoidable if people stop acting like complete idiots.

@SchadenfreudePersonified

*And the "useless mouths" - the very old, the very ill, the mentally ill, the special needs . . . do you have a child with autism? A parent with dementia? Suffer severe depression?

They would have been murdered, too.*

Indeed, that comment really wound me up. My DD1 (11 this Saturday) has SEN as a result of brain damage from a head injury as a baby whilst in foster care, and she and her younger sister are full siblings. DD2 (8) is pretty, light brown haired and blue eyed, bubbly and popular at school.

DD2 would have been adopted and been turned into the perfect Aryan, whereas DD1, who was predicted to be blind and have cerebral palsy would have been left to die most likely.

In the event, she wasn't so disabled, she has a very weak right eye hence wears glasses and has hearing aids due to permanent moderate hearing loss in the upper frequencies. She also didn't have cerebral palsy and does gymnastics now, like her sister. But she has what's almost certainly Attachment Disorder. So she's done fine. But do you really think the Nazis would have bothered with her?

Okay, rant over.

What would full lockdown mean?

Full lockdown is also avoidable if people in the countryside stop thinking the rules don't apply to them.

Sadly yes because it seems so many people are just doing what they want. If they continue I think it will happen, proper lockdown!

Im not objective because lockdown will kill me.

There's no point in imposing full lockdown if it's not enforceable. It isn't unless we have the police/army on every street corner.

We've got as near to full lockdown here in NZ for the next month.

Everything shut unless on a very very detailed and specific list of essential services. Supermarkets and dairies (tiny corner shop style stores) allowed to open but with strict one in one out policies and hygiene standards. Gas stations do attendant service only. Banks operating very very skeleton services. Pharmacies also have strict protocols with scripts handed at the door and delivered back outside. Govt offices to work from home.

All restaurants, bars closed obviously but also No takeaways or hot food deliveries at all. Grocery deliveries with no contact still operational

All non essential travel banned. We live 5 minutes drive to a beach and it's been clear that driving there would breach the rules. State of emergency enacted to enforce it.

No physical contact with anyone outside of your household. 2 metres distance at all times

Public transport only for essential workers with documentary evidence. Buses have the first three rows cordened off to protect driver. On that basis, all Auckland public transport is now free.

At the same time a huge budget for mortgage holidays and worker/business compensation for lost income

Yes we are a small country but we have one chance and swift and decisive action has been at once alarming and comforting. This shit works and everyone's behind it. Our PM rocks.

People aren't following the guidelines, so many people have the attitude that the rules don't apply to them. My hometown has now reduced its bus service by over 60%. Nightmare for us key workers. I will have an hour and half walk to work then a 10 -12 hour busy shift on my feet all day then an hour and half walk home. Or I can walk to work and wait for 1hr 40 mins for a bus. It's hard. If people don't start following what we've been told to do them we will end up locked in our homes. Kids are out playing together, teens hanging round up to no good and the amount of elderly people out shopping is shocking.

No teens hanging around where I live, but plenty of large groups of older people.

Whilst on my state mandated walk yesterday, I passed a beach cafe where four women in mid sixties tried to get in and were aghast it was shut. I heard one of them say "I didn't think they would be closed because the police never come down here."

This is the kind of stupidity that will lead us into full lockdown.

We need a 7-7 curfew unless key worker returning from work

You have to define Full lockdown If you mean we all stay at home until it's safe then what did you plan to do about electricity, water and food?

I AM in favour of forcing closure of non-essential companies. And dealing with people who are mixing for trivial reasons.

It’ll never be safe until there’s a vaccine - 2 years. If we have to stay home until it’s safe we will all be dead anyway.

I don't see the problem with basic ID cards. They seem to work fine across the rest of Europe. We now need photo ID to access so many sevices here, which is difficult for some people. Passports aren't cheap for those on a budget and still today plenty don't (or can't for health reasons) drive. A cheap (taxpayer funded) basic card issued to everyone similar to NI cards would be better.

How long does it take to manufacture drugs? Several have showed promise in small trials including the anti malarial. They're now undergoing larger trials. One or several might prove successful as treatment. There's a stock shortage unfortunately but I read at least one drugs company has started making more.

I'm against id cards.
It's a slippery slope. Oh what the harm, it's easier, you need Id a lot anyway. Oh what's the harm in everyone having to be fingerprinted or having their DNA stored, it's to prevent crime? And so on.
I'd rather keep as much privacy as I possibly can.

Against ID cards too, I don't like the idea of needing ID for potentially everyday things. Too easy to end up being abused.

I am totally against ID cards and would refuse to have one if they were ever introduced.