Piss off out the countryside

[orangeandbananas]

Aibu to think the idiots who have all fled from towns to the countryside are incredibly selfish.
I live in a small rural estate.
There are quite obviously people from towns and cities coming together on gatherings suddenly 'embracing' the countryside.
Ok fine; but they apparently can't stick to the public footpaths where they can all infect each other. Instead they keep coming off the footpath and walking the mile to our estate from it and hanging about.
The average age on our estate is 70+. I don't know anyone else that is under 70 and many are 90+ I haven't seen anyone leave their houses for a long time but today I saw a very elderly frail man take a walk on the estate and he was leaning on a bench when a load of teenagers came right up to the boundary of the road to our estate and I saw the man try to get away but he couldn't fast enough and nearly fell over from trying.

We live in isolation anyway generally. This is the first time we've had to deal with so many people coming through our field off the public footpath.
I wish they'd stay away. I also wish less risk people would understand what social distancing means. If they're venturing into our estate I've no doubt they're off gallivanting on to further farms etc. Which can only heighten the problems we face today. These dc are not from the rural area. I've never seen so many cars parked near the footpath. It's so daft it's upsetting.

Boris has warned we will have to go to lockdown. Is this really what people want?
Get out of the countryside if you don't live here. It's obvious so many elderly people live here. Come back in better times.

maudspellbody Thank you. You have illustrated what everyone has been trying to say to townies. It's not that we don't welcome you - normally. It's not that the countryside does not depend on tourism - normally. But these are not normal times and we have far, far fewer healthcare resources than the towns and cities where populations are concentrated. So stay at home, keep EVERYONE safe and when life gets back to some semblance of normality, everyone can go where they like!

As long as you are not trespassing, of course!

The thing is we live in a very small very crowded island with a very high population density overall. People who think they live in nice isolated places only do so because others live in very close proximity to each other for many reasons but mostly economic (jobs tends to be in cities etc)

The fact that you live in a quiet countryside area does not give you the right to be the only people using that area for walks. It is just another form of I'm alright Jack. People who live in crowded small flats and houses in close proximity are entitled to fresh air and walks as much as people who live in rural areas.

Why is it 'selfish' to hoard food but not to hoard space. I have lost count of the number of people on here who smugly say 'I can walk as I very near open countryside and I won't see anyone' . Of course as soon as anyone else has the same idea, they are 'idiots'

We have too many people in too small a space for everyone to be taking walks in the countryside for their mental and physical health without many of the paths and countryside being overcrowded so I don't know the answer other than to enforce people staying in their homes but that should apply to the ones who live rurally too

FFS! No one is saying don't take exercise but you have to do close to home! We are not meant to be undertaking unessential travel, I'm not travelling around my rural area or having city breaks, STAY HOME! I have clinical depression so my mental health is not good but being physically dead worries me more. We don't have the resources for a large influx of people, so DON'T TRAVEL!

Living rurally here I promise you friends and neighbours are not wandering lonely as a cloud. I had to go out this morning for OH inhaler prescription for COPD, the countryside was empty, town deserted. Over the weekend we were inundated with tourists. More here than in their home towns.

People who live in crowded small flats and houses in close proximity are entitled to fresh air and walks as much as people who live in rural areas

No one has otherwise.

I live in a city. It's an suburban area. There are plenty of places for me to walk and get fresh air locally. I don't need to drive to the Lakes or North Wales to get fresh air.

You're entirely missing the point that hoards of people turning up to rural and coastal locations could spread the virus and also causes issues to the local healthcare services and food retailers.

Posters have discussed mountain rescues taking place. If those people have covid-19 and give it to the mountain rescuers, they could pass it to their families which means community transmission in areas that will struggle to cope.

What part of stay home is so hard to understand? People in cities can go for walks outside their own doors and stay 2m from other walkers.

Also, I would love to know how the statement from the Mountain Rescue Team is about hoarding space?!

Some of you are missing the point that people are supposed to STAY AT HOME. No one is doing "omg they are walking on our countryside grass! Shoot!". What they are doing is "Omg they are coming in masses and bringing the virus into are with low services and help".

It's not that hard to comprehend. And if someone doesn't understand STAY AT HOME, they shouldn't be out without a responsible adult anyway.

And i am a person from the city! Fully on a side of the people from countryside here

It's this simple, there are not enough resources to deal with the usual level of demand that comes with tourism, especially the numbers that were seen at the weekend. All elective surgery is suspended, all non urgent outpatients appointments are suspended. Staff have all been redeployed. It's a skeleton staff only. We can't split ourselves in two . Be mindful of the limited services available and stay home.

So this happened

These people will rather be in the worst hit city in Italy than in UK... If that doesn't illustrate how bad the behaviour here is, I don't think anything will.
www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/italian-dad-evacuates-daughters-uk-terrified-slow-coronavirus-response-12442412/amp/

Thanks for the Metro link. Other stories on that site also interested me:

Man Licks Toiletries in Shop
Teenage Boys Cough in Face of Elderly
Vandals Drill Holes in Six Ambulances

We're doomed, aren't we?

We're doomed, aren't we?

Probably. Luckily there is plenty of nice news around too. Hopefully they will start making news and have some effect on people.

For the dickheads. Fines and prisons

Mind you, studying in taunton would mean she's under 18 anyway unless she's at Bridgwater college, in which case a virus stricken part of northern Italy would be preferable

Shame none of this outrage was about weeks ago. The calls for non essential travel to stop. Would have protected the millions of city dwellers who are now suffering the consequences.

All lives are valuable. Those in polluted cities have as much right to be protected as those breathing the fresh clean air of the countryside.

All non essential travel should indeed stop. As it should have weeks ago - including the hundreds of thousands who travelled into and through cities.

The second home and holiday park visitors perhaps shouldn't have travelled (although I understand their desire to protect themselves and their families). However now they're where they are, they need to stay put. No travel means no travel. You can't have them travelling home now - and in doing so putting millions more people at risk. What's done is done. Just as commuter and leisure trains, and flights from infected countries, continued into the cities for weeks. That's done. Can't change the past. All we can do is stay no more travel from now.

@bumblingbovine49 it is not about the right to enjoy fresh air and space it it about the science of transmission . We need to contain the virus where it already is,not spread it willy nilly. If someone was covered in yellow spots you would not expect them to walk into your garden and give you the yellow spots would you . Just because we can’t see this virus does not make it any different STAY AT HOME TO STOP THE SPREAD.

If you have the right to the countryside you have the responsibility to use it carefully so that it there for future generations. The ‘countryside’ is not a park it is people’s home and workplace, in the same way that the city is not a theme park.

How many of the people saying that holiday home owners etc should be allowed to stay love in an area with high rates of second homes/ holiday let's. We are not talking a few people. In gwynedd and anglesey caravan parks were filling up this weekend 1000's of people. Coming into a new place and most of them were not self isolating, they were wandering round towns, going shopping, have bbq on beaches etc. Many of the locals in these area have not been to cities for months. In fact there is a local joke about a woman from llangefni who has never been to the beach. This is the issue people have, they were told not to travel and they did it any way. 3 weeks ago no one was told anything about travel so it's not really comparable. Looks like the welsh government is shutting sites etc to get people to leave anyway.

I wonder if Boris is staying in Downing Street? Or has he gone to the PM's second home in the countryside? Should he lead by example?

Thing is, the people who have left their homes to squat in rural Britain will probably have left their registered doctor's surgery. I know in my very small town the surgery is fully subscribed and already short of staff. The two nearest cottage hospitals have closed their doors to general services in preparation for the Covid rush. So where are all these campers going to go should they break a leg or have a heart attack?

Some numbers for today came in
Italy 8th of March
Cases 7,375
Dead 366

Uk 23rd of March
Cases 5,837
Dead 335

Italy 23rd of March
Cases 63,928
Dead 6,078

Uk slowed down today. Still not enough. We are still heading there

In days long gone by, when I briefly lived in Weymouth, there was a running joke that there were people who had never been off Portland. And as a child I knew elderly gents who went to sea with the Navy and visited all five continents but once retired, never crossed Falmouth bay again. We all expect to travel too much. And I include myself in that.

Staggered to read posters saying there will be violence as though that's a normal thing. And people being asked where they come from? No blacks, no Irish, anyone?

Some really appalling attitudes here. You don't own the wide open spaces. You have to share.

We don't have to share. We don't have the infrastructure for a start. The people moving here aren't homeless. They have perfectly good homes elsewhere. They need to stay in them.

Yup. Love to share me. Especially germs.

It’s not a normal thing Sarah but people are scared, just like they are everywhere, just like the people who’ve fled cities. I hope it doesn’t come to violence, I really do. Unfortunately, where I’m from at least, there are plenty of pricks with too much time on their hands who’d love an excuse for a fight. Most locals are trying to get their message across peacefully (with signs etc) from what I hear (i live in London now, have done for decades, and I’m staying put, but I worry about family members back where I’m from).